From ssinn at qwest.net Wed Nov 7 11:20:07 2001 From: ssinn at qwest.net (Spencer J Sinn) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless antennas Message-ID: <20011107095950.A11531@thor> I was wondering if anyone on the list has had any experience building a directional antenna for a wireless network... -- Thanks, Spencer J Sinn From natecars at real-time.com Wed Nov 7 12:59:02 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless antennas In-Reply-To: <20011107095950.A11531@thor> Message-ID: On Wed, 7 Nov 2001, Spencer J Sinn wrote: > I was wondering if anyone on the list has had any experience building a > directional antenna for a wireless network... Haven't actually done it, but I've talked to a bunch of people who have made them out of pringles cans. :) http://www.oreillynet.com/cs/weblog/view/wlg/448 http://www.netscum.com/~clapp/wireless.html -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Nov 16 10:28:11 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] "Mobile Mesh" software for wireless roaming Message-ID: Wireless roaming under Linux. Cool. http://www.mitre.org/tech_transfer/mobilemesh/ I haven't actually had time to read it (for some reason, customers keep buying our time so we have to do REAL work!), but it looks interesting. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Nov 16 10:41:12 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cheap Antennas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Check out: > > http://www.dbiplus.com > > These guys are very interested in working with wireless user's groups to > provide antennas. The guy I talked to said they would indeed be interested > in doing low quantities to WUG's. Anyone interested in any of the antennas > on that page? Once I get a list of a couple antennas we'd like, I can get > pricing. > > I'll probably pick up two of the 25dBi dishes, a yagi, and a 13dBi patch.. No interest? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From jeffr at odeon.net Fri Nov 16 12:56:13 2001 From: jeffr at odeon.net (jeffr@odeon.net) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cheap Antennas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yes, interested, but probably not until after the new year. Jeff On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > Check out: > > > > http://www.dbiplus.com > > > > These guys are very interested in working with wireless user's groups to > > provide antennas. The guy I talked to said they would indeed be interested > > in doing low quantities to WUG's. Anyone interested in any of the antennas > > on that page? Once I get a list of a couple antennas we'd like, I can get > > pricing. > > > > I'll probably pick up two of the 25dBi dishes, a yagi, and a 13dBi patch.. > > No interest? > > From austad at marketwatch.com Fri Nov 16 14:17:50 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cheap Antennas Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D098@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Yeah, being it close to xmas and stuff, and the IRS is knocking at my door, I have some other places to divert my money right now (not necessarily by choice either). I have some cool ideas that I'd like to try, but the cash needs to go elsewhere right now. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: jeffr@odeon.net [mailto:jeffr@odeon.net] > Sent: Friday, November 16, 2001 12:08 PM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Cheap Antennas > > > > Yes, interested, but probably not until after the new year. > > Jeff > > On Fri, 16 Nov 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > On Fri, 26 Oct 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > > Check out: > > > > > > http://www.dbiplus.com > > > > > > These guys are very interested in working with wireless user's > > > groups to provide antennas. The guy I talked to said they would > > > indeed be interested in doing low quantities to WUG's. Anyone > > > interested in any of the antennas on that page? Once I > get a list of > > > a couple antennas we'd like, I can get pricing. > > > > > > I'll probably pick up two of the 25dBi dishes, a yagi, > and a 13dBi > > > patch.. > > > > No interest? > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-> time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Tue Nov 20 11:46:57 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: [nycwireless] the wireless-est place on earth?] Message-ID: Intersting article! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:43:50 -0500 From: Andrew Raff To: "nycwireless@lists.spack.org" Subject: [nycwireless] the wireless-est place on earth? On any given day, between 100,000 and 150,000 visitors crowd into Walt Disney World in Florida, largely unaware that the 47-square-mile theme park is almost completely enveloped by an invisible wireless Web. http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO65816,00.html While families and other patrons watch Goofy and Mickey Mouse on parade, seek thrills on rides or head for the nearest hot dog stand, the attraction's 55,000 "cast members," as Disney employees are called, quietly rely on an 802.11b LAN to do everything from authorize credit card purchases, order up shuttle buses and even track visitors as they wander through the park. Murshid S. Khan, director of telecommunications and technology support at Walt Disney World , talked about the theme park's use of wireless technology during Stamford, Conn.-based Gartner Inc.'s Wireless LAN Summit here today. According to Khan, Disney World, which includes the famed Magic Kingdom and Epcot Center, is part of an interconnected world that includes as many as 200 wireless access points hidden throughout the park. The access points are used to facilitate the flow of information and data behind the scenes. Khan described how the technology use has evolved, as well as where he believes Burbank, Calif.-based The Walt Disney Co. plans to go with wireless LANs in the future. His comments came on the last day of the three-day Gartner event. The decision to provide 802.11b coverage for most of the amusement park grew in response to visitors' complaints about being unable to use credit cards to buy food, beverages and Disney World merchandise, Khan said. "We were running a food and wine festival and a lot of people had complained in the past that they couldn't use credit cards [to pay for items]," Khan said. "When people go to the park, they want to use credit cards. So we changed that." With a wireless LAN in place, employees can now accept credit card purchases and complete authorizations quickly, he said, speeding up transactions and making it easier for visitors to buy food and merchandise. The technology also allows employees to be mobile, meaning they can boost revenue by bringing merchandise and food to people who may be stuck in line waiting for rides. "They're not static; they're mobile," Khan said. "And mobility has enhanced revenue generation." The technology is also used for "guest tracking" on Disney cruises, especially during stops when travelers disembark for island excursions. As each person arrives on board one of the company's cruise ships, Khan said, he is given a card. As passengers leave and return to the ship, they are required to swipe the cards in a device that tracks who has come and gone. "That tells us who's on board," Khan said. "Let's say 200 people have gone onto an island. If we see that 200 people have not come back, we know how many people are missing." Although the company's goal is to provide a wireless workplace for its employees throughout the park, there have been challenges in implementing the technology, Khan said. "Bandwidth is an issue in some areas. Integration [with wired networks and applications] is an issue. Seamless roaming is an issue," he said. But the biggest hurdle is security -- ensuring that tens of thousands of credit card numbers are sufficiently protected during multiple transactions to prevent theft and working constantly to keep "sniffers" from illegally connecting. Khan said Disney uses 128-bit encryption and other means of detecting possible intrusions with software. Though he declined to be more specific about how the company protects its network, Khan stressed that Disney is constantly looking to beef up security, especially as the network grows and is used for more services. During a question-and-answer session after he spoke, however, Khan acknowledged that wireless LANs are still a new technology that may not be right for all businesses. "This is an emerging technology," he said. "It's going to take a while before everyone feels comfortable with it. For small business groups, you can [implement] it. But for larger Fortune 500 companies, I'm not sure the rate of return is there. You have to be comfortable before you jump in." "If someone is asking me about applying this for office automation, I'm not sure I would do that at this point," Khan said. And while he said Disney plans a gradual move to a faster 802.11a network in the years ahead, he said the company has no plans to deploy Bluetooth technology. Bluetooth is wireless technology with a shorter range that is designed primarily for the personal-area network among devices such as telephones, handhelds, laptops, printers or fax machines. By contrast, 802.11b networks are seen as being better-suited for workgroups or other places where wireless connections can be spread apart. Asked whether Disney might ever offer some of its bandwidth to park visitors, Khan said no. In addition to bandwidth concerns, he said, there are also more practical worries. "We need you to come to the park and enjoy the park," he said. "If we start opening Internet cafes, you won't do that." http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO65816,00.html -- NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ Un/Subscribe: http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/nycwireless/ Archives: http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 20 13:28:37 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: [nycwireless] the wireless-est place on earth?] Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I hope they're using something other than WEP for their encryption. They mention they use 128-bit encryption, but they didn't say what they were using. WEP is broken. And SSL is vulnerable to man in the middle attacks. An attacker could have a field day just sitting in their parking lot. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 10:47 AM > To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group > Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: [nycwireless] the wireless-est place on earth?] > > > Intersting article! > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > Date: Tue, 20 Nov 2001 10:43:50 -0500 > From: Andrew Raff > To: "nycwireless@lists.spack.org" > Subject: [nycwireless] the wireless-est place on earth? > > On any given day, between 100,000 and 150,000 visitors crowd > into Walt Disney World in Florida, largely unaware that the > 47-square-mile theme park is almost completely enveloped by > an invisible wireless Web. > > http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NAV47_STO65816,00.html > > While families and other patrons watch Goofy and Mickey Mouse > on parade, seek thrills on rides or head for the nearest hot > dog stand, the attraction's 55,000 "cast members," as Disney > employees are called, quietly rely on an 802.11b LAN to do > everything from authorize credit card purchases, order up > shuttle buses and even track visitors as they wander through the park. > > Murshid S. Khan, director of telecommunications and > technology support at Walt Disney World , talked about the > theme park's use of wireless technology during Stamford, > Conn.-based Gartner Inc.'s Wireless LAN Summit here today. > According to Khan, Disney World, which includes the famed > Magic Kingdom and Epcot Center, is part of an interconnected > world that includes as many as 200 wireless access points > hidden throughout the park. The access points are used to > facilitate the flow of information and data behind the scenes. > > Khan described how the technology use has evolved, as well as > where he believes Burbank, Calif.-based The Walt Disney Co. > plans to go with wireless LANs in the future. His comments > came on the last day of the three-day Gartner event. > > The decision to provide 802.11b coverage for most of the > amusement park grew in response to visitors' complaints about > being unable to use credit cards to buy food, beverages and > Disney World merchandise, Khan said. > > "We were running a food and wine festival and a lot of people > had complained in the past that they couldn't use credit > cards [to pay for items]," Khan said. "When people go to the > park, they want to use credit cards. So we changed that." > > With a wireless LAN in place, employees can now accept credit > card purchases and complete authorizations quickly, he said, > speeding up transactions and making it easier for visitors to > buy food and merchandise. The technology also allows > employees to be mobile, meaning they can boost revenue by > bringing merchandise and food to people who may be stuck in > line waiting for rides. > > "They're not static; they're mobile," Khan said. "And > mobility has enhanced revenue generation." > > The technology is also used for "guest tracking" on Disney > cruises, especially during stops when travelers disembark for > island excursions. As each person arrives on board one of the > company's cruise ships, Khan said, he is given a card. As > passengers leave and return to the ship, they are required to > swipe the cards in a device that tracks who has come and gone. > > "That tells us who's on board," Khan said. "Let's say 200 > people have gone onto an island. If we see that 200 people > have not come back, we know how many people are missing." > > Although the company's goal is to provide a wireless > workplace for its employees throughout the park, there have > been challenges in implementing the technology, Khan said. > "Bandwidth is an issue in some areas. Integration [with wired > networks and applications] is an issue. Seamless roaming is > an issue," he said. > > But the biggest hurdle is security -- ensuring that tens of > thousands of credit card numbers are sufficiently protected > during multiple transactions to prevent theft and working > constantly to keep "sniffers" from illegally connecting. > > Khan said Disney uses 128-bit encryption and other means of > detecting possible intrusions with software. Though he > declined to be more specific about how the company protects > its network, Khan stressed that Disney is constantly looking > to beef up security, especially as the network grows and is > used for more services. > > During a question-and-answer session after he spoke, however, > Khan acknowledged that wireless LANs are still a new > technology that may not be right for all businesses. > > "This is an emerging technology," he said. "It's going to > take a while before everyone feels comfortable with it. For > small business groups, you can [implement] it. But for larger > Fortune 500 companies, I'm not sure the rate of return is > there. You have to be comfortable before you jump in." > > "If someone is asking me about applying this for office > automation, I'm not sure I would do that at this point," Khan said. > > And while he said Disney plans a gradual move to a faster > 802.11a network in the years ahead, he said the company has > no plans to deploy Bluetooth technology. Bluetooth is > wireless technology with a shorter range that is designed > primarily for the personal-area network among devices such as > telephones, handhelds, laptops, printers or fax machines. By > contrast, 802.11b networks are seen as being better-suited > for workgroups or other places where wireless connections can > be spread apart. > > Asked whether Disney might ever offer some of its bandwidth > to park visitors, Khan said no. In addition to bandwidth > concerns, he said, there are also more practical worries. > > "We need you to come to the park and enjoy the park," he > said. "If we start opening Internet cafes, you won't do > that." > http://www.computerworld.com/storyba/0,4125,NA> V47_STO65816,00.html > -- > NYCwireless - http://www.nycwireless.net/ > Un/Subscribe: > http://lists.nycwireless.net/mailman/listinfo/> nycwireless/ > > Archives: > http://lists.nycwireless.net/pipermail/nycwireless/ > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-> time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > From natecars at real-time.com Tue Nov 20 14:23:57 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: [nycwireless] the wireless-est place on earth?] In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > I hope they're using something other than WEP for their encryption. > They mention they use 128-bit encryption, but they didn't say what > they were using. WEP is broken. And SSL is vulnerable to man in the > middle attacks. An attacker could have a field day just sitting in > their parking lot. Yeah, I mentioned that to Carl. :) If they are smart, they've got an IPSec endpoint after each wireless gateway.. but I doubt it. Anyone going to Disney World soon? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Tue Nov 20 15:32:51 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: [nycwireless] the wireless-est place on earth?] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anyone going to Disney World soon? I'm going the last week in May, I'd better bring my snort-enabled laptop with me :-) -Brian From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 20 15:56:34 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [Fw: [nycwireless] the wireless-est place on earth?] Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0BC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I can see the TV commercial now.... Kevin Mitnick's probation ends, the news media crowd him and one asks "Kevin, what are you going to do now?" I'M GOING TO DISNEY WORLD!!! > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:54 PM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: RE: [TCWUG] [Fw: [nycwireless] the wireless-est > place on earth?] > > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > I hope they're using something other than WEP for their encryption. > > They mention they use 128-bit encryption, but they didn't say what > > they were using. WEP is broken. And SSL is vulnerable to > man in the > > middle attacks. An attacker could have a field day just sitting in > > their parking lot. > > Yeah, I mentioned that to Carl. :) > > If they are smart, they've got an IPSec endpoint after each > wireless gateway.. but I doubt it. > > Anyone going to Disney World soon? > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-> time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Nov 20 15:56:38 2001 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: [Fw: [nycwireless] the wireless-est place on earth?] In-Reply-To: References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0B4@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011120144412.Q18625@ringworld.org> * Nate Carlson [011120 14:24]: > > they were using. WEP is broken. And SSL is vulnerable to man in the The current use of WEP is broken. RC4 is fine when you have a realistic key exchange and rotation system in place. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ #linuxos@irc.openprojects.net So I ran up to him, and the exchange went something like this: Me: Oh my god! You're Larry Niven! Him: Oh my god! You're Wil Wheaton! -Wil Wheaton, in a Slashdot interview From michael at mimbach.com Tue Nov 20 20:58:12 2001 From: michael at mimbach.com (Michael J. Mimbach II) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Frequency Hopping Security References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0BC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01a901c17223$350a16c0$050b800a@mimbach2k> Wondering about everybodies feeling on 802.11 FHSS and its security? To this day I dont think anybody has hacked it. Does anybody know anything different? Michael J. Mimbach II KC0JRE Senior RF/Network Engineer michael@mimbach.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [TCWUG] [Fw: [nycwireless] the wireless-est place on earth?] > I can see the TV commercial now.... > > Kevin Mitnick's probation ends, the news media crowd him and one asks > "Kevin, what are you going to do now?" > > I'M GOING TO DISNEY WORLD!!! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:54 PM > > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > Subject: RE: [TCWUG] [Fw: [nycwireless] the wireless-est > > place on earth?] > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > I hope they're using something other than WEP for their encryption. > > > They mention they use 128-bit encryption, but they didn't say what > > > they were using. WEP is broken. And SSL is vulnerable to > > man in the > > > middle attacks. An attacker could have a field day just sitting in > > > their parking lot. > > > > Yeah, I mentioned that to Carl. :) > > > > If they are smart, they've got an IPSec endpoint after each > > wireless gateway.. but I doubt it. > > > > Anyone going to Disney World soon? > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > https://mailman.real-> time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > From michael at mimbach.com Tue Nov 20 20:58:16 2001 From: michael at mimbach.com (Michael J. Mimbach II) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Frequency Hopping Security References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0BC@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <01aa01c17223$368e45c0$050b800a@mimbach2k> Wondering about everybodies feeling on 802.11 FHSS and its security? To this day I dont think anybody has hacked it. Does anybody know anything different? Michael J. Mimbach II KC0JRE Senior RF/Network Engineer michael@mimbach.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austad, Jay" To: Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:42 PM Subject: RE: [TCWUG] [Fw: [nycwireless] the wireless-est place on earth?] > I can see the TV commercial now.... > > Kevin Mitnick's probation ends, the news media crowd him and one asks > "Kevin, what are you going to do now?" > > I'M GOING TO DISNEY WORLD!!! > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:54 PM > > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > Subject: RE: [TCWUG] [Fw: [nycwireless] the wireless-est > > place on earth?] > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > I hope they're using something other than WEP for their encryption. > > > They mention they use 128-bit encryption, but they didn't say what > > > they were using. WEP is broken. And SSL is vulnerable to > > man in the > > > middle attacks. An attacker could have a field day just sitting in > > > their parking lot. > > > > Yeah, I mentioned that to Carl. :) > > > > If they are smart, they've got an IPSec endpoint after each > > wireless gateway.. but I doubt it. > > > > Anyone going to Disney World soon? > > > > -- > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > https://mailman.real-> time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > From austad at marketwatch.com Tue Nov 20 22:32:06 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Frequency Hopping Security Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D0C2@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> I can't imaging it would be hard for a determined person to hack it. Since you don't know the frequency it will hop to next, all you have to do is have the resources to listen to all possible frequencies that it uses, record all of them, and use some sort of algoritm to reassemble from there. Use IPSec over your wireless link. It makes frequency hopping unneccesary, and offers much higher security. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael J. Mimbach II [mailto:michael@mimbach.com] > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 6:27 PM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: [TCWUG] Frequency Hopping Security > > > Wondering about everybodies feeling on 802.11 FHSS and its > security? To > this day I dont think anybody has hacked it. > Does anybody know anything different? > > Michael J. Mimbach II > KC0JRE > Senior RF/Network Engineer > michael@mimbach.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Austad, Jay" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 2:42 PM > Subject: RE: [TCWUG] [Fw: [nycwireless] the wireless-est > place on earth?] > > > > I can see the TV commercial now.... > > > > Kevin Mitnick's probation ends, the news media crowd him > and one asks > > "Kevin, what are you going to do now?" > > > > I'M GOING TO DISNEY WORLD!!! > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2001 1:54 PM > > > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > > Subject: RE: [TCWUG] [Fw: [nycwireless] the wireless-est > > > place on earth?] > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > > > I hope they're using something other than WEP for their > encryption. > > > > They mention they use 128-bit encryption, but they > didn't say what > > > > they were using. WEP is broken. And SSL is vulnerable to > > > man in the > > > > middle attacks. An attacker could have a field day just > sitting in > > > > their parking lot. > > > > > > Yeah, I mentioned that to Carl. :) > > > > > > If they are smart, they've got an IPSec endpoint after each > > > wireless gateway.. but I doubt it. > > > > > > Anyone going to Disney World soon? > > > > > > -- > > > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > > > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > > > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > > > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > > https://mailman.real-> time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > > http://www.tcwug.org > > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > From lxy at cloudnet.com Wed Nov 21 14:38:00 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless in Buffalo Message-ID: Know anything about this? http://www.bwig.net/ I figured Carl would be the first in Buffalo to install it. :-) With @home going bankrupt I suddenly wished I lived in Buffalo. Some background: Jones Intercable was purchased by Bresnan then by Charter. Jones was in the dark ages and fiber was something unknown to them. The city lacks the infrastructure needed to support cable modems, so the city stepped in and started this wireless project. Charter promises cable modems in 5 years. -Brian From thomas at stderr.net Wed Nov 21 15:54:10 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless in Buffalo In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 02:03:29PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011121220419.R45448@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 02:03:29PM -0600, Brian wrote: > Know anything about this? http://www.bwig.net/ > I figured Carl would be the first in Buffalo to install it. :-) With > @home going bankrupt I suddenly wished I lived in Buffalo. Cool shit! I hope it works out well for them! -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From natecars at real-time.com Tue Nov 27 23:00:08 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Frequency Hopping Security In-Reply-To: <01a901c17223$350a16c0$050b800a@mimbach2k> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Nov 2001, Michael J. Mimbach II wrote: > Wondering about everybodies feeling on 802.11 FHSS and its security? To > this day I dont think anybody has hacked it. > Does anybody know anything different? From chrome at real-time.com Wed Nov 28 03:25:39 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless in Buffalo In-Reply-To: ; from lxy@cloudnet.com on Wed, Nov 21, 2001 at 02:03:29PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20011126120200.F12798@real-time.com> > Know anything about this? http://www.bwig.net/ > I figured Carl would be the first in Buffalo to install it. :-) With > @home going bankrupt I suddenly wished I lived in Buffalo. haven't really followed it. I have ISDN at home, courtesy of the company (it's good to work for an ISP, when you live on the Net); and it's fast enough for most things. (it hurts when sucking an .iso; but otherwise is tolerable). I'd take up the wireless option more out of curiosity than anything else (and i'm not that curious about it). what would be really cool, would be to have access points spread throughout the city, such that I could go down to the park with a laptop and connect to the Net. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Nov 28 23:39:52 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless in Buffalo Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D121@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> > what would be really cool, would be to have access points > spread throughout the city, such that I could go down to the > park with a laptop and connect to the Net. :) You mean like Ricochet? :) I heard they were purchased and going to reactivate their network in most cities soon. > > Carl Soderstrom > -- > Network Engineer > Real-Time Enterprises > (952) 943-8700 > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-> time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > From chrome at real-time.com Thu Nov 29 11:11:05 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless in Buffalo In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D121@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:25:55PM -0600 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA002E0D121@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20011129105207.D4560@real-time.com> On Wed, Nov 28, 2001 at 10:25:55PM -0600, Austad, Jay wrote: > > what would be really cool, would be to have access points > > spread throughout the city, such that I could go down to the > > park with a laptop and connect to the Net. :) > > You mean like Ricochet? :) yeah, but faster and cheaper. :) > I heard they were purchased and going to reactivate their network in most > cities soon. really? hadn't heard anything about that. sounds cool. be a long time before it gets out to Buffalo. :) Carl Soderstrom -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From jacque at fruitioninc.com Thu Nov 29 12:46:23 2001 From: jacque at fruitioninc.com (Jacqueline Urick) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless in Buffalo -ricochet In-Reply-To: <20011129105207.D4560@real-time.com> Message-ID: > --- > > I heard they were purchased and going to reactivate their > network in most > > cities soon. > really? hadn't heard anything about that. sounds cool. be a long > time before it gets out to Buffalo. :) > Aerie Networks of Denver purchased mertricom's stuff. They are talking about having it be sold much like a utility, were the city would maintain and own the infastructure. http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-7783542.html I really liked having ricochet while it lasted... ~j