From tanner at real-time.com Mon Sep 24 21:02:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Testing Message-ID: <20010924205945.V19933@real-time.com> Testing. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From spencer at autonomous.tv Tue Sep 25 23:58:01 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (spencer underground) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] iwconfig Message-ID: <20010925235802.C10096@autonomous.tv> I am having a time getting my Airport card to talk to a SohoWare NetBlaster2. I can see all the status from iwconfig, but I have yet to connect to it. I am unable to find the ip address either. I have tried nmap on the logical home subnets and still have not found its ip. I have even used windows programs to talk to it, but I don't have a sohoware NIC, it shouldn't matter though. It does not seem to enter the arp table. When I connect to the Smc2652 I have no problems and can read the mac address in the arp table. Doing a traceroute through the WAP does not reveal its ip. I have several/many more questions regarding 802.11 issues. I want to thank the group for spawning a new. Wireless is the future. -- SpencerUnderground From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 01:40:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] iwconfig In-Reply-To: <20010925235802.C10096@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 Sep 2001, spencer underground wrote: > I am having a time getting my Airport card to talk to a SohoWare > NetBlaster2. I can see all the status from iwconfig, but I have yet to > connect to it. I am unable to find the ip address either. I have tried > nmap on the logical home subnets and still have not found its ip. I have > even used windows programs to talk to it, but I don't have a sohoware > NIC, it shouldn't matter though. It does not seem > to enter the arp table. When I connect to the Smc2652 I have no problems > and can read the mac address in the arp table. Doing a traceroute through > the WAP does not reveal its ip. a) does your WAP have any utilities that allow you to see who's associated to it? b) do you have WEP enabled? have you properly configured your card for infrastructure mode, with the proper WEP privacy key? I hate to say it, but have you tried from Windows? I have seen cases where getting it to work in Linux is a real pain in the butt, but Windows works fine.. > I have several/many more questions regarding 802.11 issues. I want to > thank the group for spawning a new. Wireless is the future. That's a fact. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Sep 26 14:05:00 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ok, so what's the deal here? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF1F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Does anyone have an antenna up yet? If so, what's the address or the latitude/longitude? ---------- Jay Austad Network Administrator CBS Marketwatch 612.817.1271 austad@marketwatch.com http://cbs.marketwatch.com http://www.bigcharts.com From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 14:21:02 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ok, so what's the deal here? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF1F@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Does anyone have an antenna up yet? If so, what's the address or the > latitude/longitude? Not yet. Basically, this list is just for wireless discussion right now.. although hopefully we'll be able to get a real wide-area wireless network going soon. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Sep 26 14:53:01 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ok, so what's the deal here? Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF20@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Me and a few friends were designing something to connect all of our houses. I'll do a writeup later tonight if I have time and post it to the list. We already have equipment scoped out, and the cost would be around $400 per site with card, antenna, and mast. You'll also need a cheap pentium class machine running linux to plug the stuff into. The best thing we can do right now is get some sort of map up on the TCWUG site where people can put in their address or lat/long and have it plotted. Using a different color dot for the following scenarios: 1. Don't have an antenna up yet, but interested 2. Have antenna, omnidirectional 3. have antenna, directional This way, we can figure out where the best spots are for omnidirectional antennas. In fact, if we can get a map up, with a downloadable comma separated file which contains lat/long and the type of antenna if it exists, I can whack the data into a Genetic Programming based Excel plugin that I found awhile back, and it will figure out the best type of antennas to put at each site. I just have to find the plugin again, forgot what it was called. Jay > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Carlson [mailto:natecars@real-time.com] > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 2:20 PM > To: Austad, Jay > Cc: 'tcwug-list@tcwug.org' > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Ok, so what's the deal here? > > > On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > > Does anyone have an antenna up yet? If so, what's the > address or the > > latitude/longitude? > > Not yet. > > Basically, this list is just for wireless discussion right > now.. although hopefully we'll be able to get a real > wide-area wireless network going soon. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 > > From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 15:04:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ok, so what's the deal here? In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF20@mspexch2.office.mktw.net>; from austad@marketwatch.com on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 02:52:03PM -0500 References: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF20@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010926150344.T19933@real-time.com> Quoting Austad, Jay (austad@marketwatch.com): > Me and a few friends were designing something to connect all of our houses. > I'll do a writeup later tonight if I have time and post it to the list. We > already have equipment scoped out, and the cost would be around $400 per > site with card, antenna, and mast. You'll also need a cheap pentium class > machine running linux to plug the stuff into. This include lightning arrestors and copper->fiber->cober to protect your network? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 15:36:52 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ok, so what's the deal here? In-Reply-To: <20010926150344.T19933@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > This include lightning arrestors and copper->fiber->cober to protect your > network? Lightning arrestor's only $50-$100.. why do the fiber conversion? Never heard of anyone doing that, except for cases where you need a long ethernet run.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 15:40:48 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ok, so what's the deal here? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 03:25:15PM -0500 References: <20010926150344.T19933@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010926153547.Q13513@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > > This include lightning arrestors and copper->fiber->cober to protect your > > network? > > Lightning arrestor's only $50-$100.. why do the fiber conversion? Never > heard of anyone doing that, except for cases where you need a long > ethernet run.. > Haven't been paying attention to what I've been tell you. :-P antenna<->arrestor<->low loss cable<->Bridge<->ethernet<->NOC Lightning hits antenna there is a very, very good potential that the current will flow all the way to the NOC and fry everything. antenna<->arrestor<->low loss cable<->Bridge<->Media Convertor<->ethernet<->NOC Stick a piece of fiber in there (media convertor) and the glass protects your NOC, since electricity does not flow through glass. You'll loose the antenna, arrestor, cable and bridge, but that is much better then your $30K core router. You also want to make sure the media convertors are on seperate UPS and if possible circuits. Electricity is a smart little beast and will flow through the circuits in walls and seek and destroy your NOC. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 15:52:02 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ok, so what's the deal here? In-Reply-To: <20010926153547.Q13513@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Haven't been paying attention to what I've been tell you. :-P > > antenna<->arrestor<->low loss cable<->Bridge<->ethernet<->NOC Isn't that supposed to be: antenna<->low loss cable<->(building entrance)arrestor<->low loss cable<->bridge<->ethernet<->noc ..with another arrestor every 100ft inside the building, if you have to run that far? > Lightning hits antenna there is a very, very good potential that the current > will flow all the way to the NOC and fry everything. Well, yeah, obviously, if you throw the arrestor on right at the antenna. :) > antenna<->arrestor<->low loss cable<->Bridge<->Media Convertor<->ethernet<->NOC > > Stick a piece of fiber in there (media convertor) and the glass protects your > NOC, since electricity does not flow through glass. You'll loose the antenna, > arrestor, cable and bridge, but that is much better then your $30K core router. > > You also want to make sure the media convertors are on seperate UPS and if > possible circuits. Electricity is a smart little beast and will flow through the > circuits in walls and seek and destroy your NOC. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 15:57:17 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ok, so what's the deal here? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > > Isn't that supposed to be: > > antenna<->low loss cable<->(building entrance)arrestor<->low loss cable<->bridge<->ethernet<->noc > > ..with another arrestor every 100ft inside the building, if you have to > run that far? (I'm not, of course, saying fiber is a bad idea -- just that most people won't want to pay the extra $250-$300 for two fiber transceivers and a patch cable.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From chrome at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 16:12:14 2001 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ok, so what's the deal here? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 03:49:29PM -0500 References: <20010926153547.Q13513@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010926160957.G5635@real-time.com> what kind of lightning arrestor are you talking about Nate? how do they work? Carl. -- Network Engineer Real-Time Enterprises (952) 943-8700 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 16:18:00 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ok, so what's the deal here? In-Reply-To: <20010926160957.G5635@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > what kind of lightning arrestor are you talking about Nate? how do they work? Similar to this: http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/hgln_04.html -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 16:19:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Testing fixed reply address Message-ID: Fixing reply address to reply to the list by default. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 16:26:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ok, so what's the deal here? In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 04:17:28PM -0500 References: <20010926160957.G5635@real-time.com> Message-ID: <20010926162524.A13513@real-time.com> > http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/hgln_04.html Check out: http://www.terra-wave.com/ -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 18:09:08 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cisco AIR-LMC352 cards Message-ID: Anyone know where to get AIR-LMC352 cards, in the non-40 pack variety? Looks like my local Cisco reseller can only get the 40-packs.. :( These are the cards with the dual MMCX connectors, etc.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From thomas at stderr.net Wed Sep 26 19:24:00 2001 From: thomas at stderr.net (Thomas Eibner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cisco AIR-LMC352 cards In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 06:07:44PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010927022333.F1075@io.stderr.net> On Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 06:07:44PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > Anyone know where to get AIR-LMC352 cards, in the non-40 pack variety? > > Looks like my local Cisco reseller can only get the 40-packs.. :( > > These are the cards with the dual MMCX connectors, etc.. PcMall has them, although not locally.. http://www.cc-inc.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=222302 @ $167 -- Thomas Eibner DnsZone mod_pointer From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 21:10:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cisco AIR-LMC352 cards In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Wed, Sep 26, 2001 at 06:07:44PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20010926210911.H18111@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > Anyone know where to get AIR-LMC352 cards, in the non-40 pack variety? > > Looks like my local Cisco reseller can only get the 40-packs.. :( > > These are the cards with the dual MMCX connectors, etc.. > Did you try www.terra-wave.com? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From tanner at real-time.com Wed Sep 26 23:03:00 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] #tcwug on the openprojects.net network Message-ID: <20010926225920.X18111@real-time.com> I registered #tcwug on the openprojects.net network. Stop by and chat. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From austad at marketwatch.com Wed Sep 26 23:12:00 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cisco AIR-LMC352 cards Message-ID: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF23@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Ouch, Terra-wave is expensive. Try ingenious-nets.com. They are local, and their prices seem much better. -----Original Message----- From: Bob Tanner [mailto:tanner@real-time.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2001 9:09 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Cisco AIR-LMC352 cards Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > Anyone know where to get AIR-LMC352 cards, in the non-40 pack variety? > > Looks like my local Cisco reseller can only get the 40-packs.. :( > > These are the cards with the dual MMCX connectors, etc.. > Did you try www.terra-wave.com? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 _______________________________________________ tcwug-list mailing list tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 27 00:26:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cisco AIR-LMC352 cards In-Reply-To: <20010927022333.F1075@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > PcMall has them, although not locally.. > > http://www.cc-inc.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=222302 > > @ $167 Should have mentioned in stock. :) Everyone lists 'em, everyone seems to be 2-3 weeks out of stock.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 27 00:27:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cisco AIR-LMC352 cards In-Reply-To: <54180709DD3FE145917BB165AFE7EFA0BCDF23@mspexch2.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Austad, Jay wrote: > Ouch, Terra-wave is expensive. Try ingenious-nets.com. They are local, and > their prices seem much better. Yeah, that's where I picked up my antenna. Doesn't carry cisco kit. :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 27 00:29:00 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cisco AIR-LMC352 cards In-Reply-To: <20010926210911.H18111@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 26 Sep 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > Did you try www.terra-wave.com? wow, these guys are _expensive_! :) don't list cisco products as far as i can find, either.. :( -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Thu Sep 27 01:43:01 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cisco AIR-LMC352 cards In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Thu, Sep 27, 2001 at 12:20:38AM -0500 References: <20010927022333.F1075@io.stderr.net> Message-ID: <20010927014216.D18111@real-time.com> Quoting natecars@real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com): > On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Thomas Eibner wrote: > > PcMall has them, although not locally.. > > > > http://www.cc-inc.com/pcmall/shop/detail.asp?dpno=222302 > > > > @ $167 > > Should have mentioned in stock. :) > > Everyone lists 'em, everyone seems to be 2-3 weeks out of stock.. The 352 is a new product for Cisco, I believe it is not really released until Oct 1. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 27 10:10:28 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cisco AIR-LMC352 cards In-Reply-To: <20010927014216.D18111@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 27 Sep 2001, Bob Tanner wrote: > The 352 is a new product for Cisco, I believe it is not really released until > Oct 1. This is the only card I cannot find in stock in singles. :( 40-packs are available all over the place, and the rest of the cards can be purched still.. I bet Cisco just has a bunch of LMC-342's in stock still that they want to get rid of.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Thu Sep 27 11:04:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Weird ESSID Message-ID: Sniffing some traffic from the roof here, I ran into a network where the ESSID transmitted is 30 00's. Anyone have any clue what this is? Is that what you get when you set the ESSID on the AP to 'ANY' or something? Just curiosity rearing it's ugly head again. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From spencer at autonomous.tv Thu Sep 27 13:17:01 2001 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (=?iso-8859-1?Q?SpencerUnderground?=) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] =?iso-8859-1?Q?Re:_[TCWUG]_Weird_ESSID?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <25061.209.150.199.22.1001614544.squirrel@AAAunderground.autonomous.tv> > Sniffing some traffic from the roof here, I ran into a network where > the ESSID transmitted is 30 00's. Anyone have any clue what this is? Is > that what you get when you set the ESSID on the AP to 'ANY' or > something? > > Just curiosity rearing it's ugly head again. :) > > -- > Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 Yes, I have seen this before. When changing the essid to it seems to "fake" the status. I have seen sets of 44.44 with iwconfig as well. iwconfig seems to have alot of limitations as to what it can do. Maybe it is just my hardware but when I try and change most of the settings of a WAP it complains Operation not Permitted. I only see this activity with iwconfig. The windows based tools I have used seem to always report the correct mac address. I have also noticed that some WAP's report their essid as the same value of the mac. Another thing I have observed is when you change the nick of one WAP and then switch to another WAP the nick applies to both units (but only to the box you connected with.) I would love to find a tool that is a bit more robust and comprehensive to the entire 802.11 market. There is alot to be explored. The amount of networks that are already mapped (mostly in Europe) is growing exponintially. -- SpencerUnderground http://autonomous.tv spencer@autonomous.tv http://mudpiefoods.com From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 28 11:19:16 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Linksys WAP11 as Wireless Bridge Message-ID: Anyone used a pair of WAP11's with high gain antennas a bridges? Looks like they have fairly decent transmit power, etc.. for short-range applications, looks like it might be a decent alternative to spending the big bucks on Cisco. From the posts on BAWUG, it sounds like they work fairly well, but just wondering if anyone here has personal experience. (Note: I recognize that there is a BIG difference between Cisco and Linksys for enterprise purposes. Please, don't bother reminding me. *grin*) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 28 16:18:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Antenna questions Message-ID: Kind of new to the antenna stuff -- anyone have any good links / references / etc that explains the differences between types of antennas? I mean, I know that yagi's generally have a wider beam than parabolics, etc, but that's all gleaned from product specifications, not actual information about the antenna. But, for a specific question: what's the difference between vertical and horizontal polarity on a parabolic? I'm guessing that it has to do with which way you are aligning your beam, but does anyone know the definitive difference? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Sep 28 18:53:00 2001 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Antenna questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Nate Carlson wrote: > Kind of new to the antenna stuff -- anyone have any good links / > references / etc that explains the differences between types of antennas? First of all, I recommend anyone doing any sort of wireless to get your ham license or at least browse the material. Start at www.qrz.com for good info. Lots of EE's hang out on the bulletin boards and stuff too. > I mean, I know that yagi's generally have a wider beam than parabolics, > etc, but that's all gleaned from product specifications, not actual > information about the antenna. Yagi has a wider beam and generally higher gain. Good for hams, bad for keeping your wireless net private. > But, for a specific question: what's the difference between vertical and > horizontal polarity on a parabolic? With a parbolic your antenna (I don't know your exact design) is is either a dish or a curved piece of rectangular material. The driven element (the thingie in the center) is usually a piece of metal that's oblong (copper pipe works well). Vertical polarization is if the driven element is higher than it is wide, horizontal is if it's wider than it is high. There is also circular polarization, which you can use if you have a round coil as the driven element. Basically for max performance, all your antennas should be polarized identically. The most common is vertical since it takes up less "real estate". -Brian From tanner at real-time.com Fri Sep 28 19:14:02 2001 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [bhrbek@bextreme.net: [BAWUG] Fw: Airopeek] Message-ID: <20010928191241.D10061@real-time.com> This should be of interest to our wug. ----- Forwarded message from Bob Hrbek ----- > Looks like Airopeek will be supporting Lucent/Orinoco cards shortly! > ----- Original Message ----- > From: [1]Jeff Birch > > Bob, > Good News!!!! By the close of business today we'll be supporting the > Lucent/ Oronico card. The new version will be on demo site shortly. > Jeff ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From natecars at real-time.com Fri Sep 28 20:48:01 2001 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Antenna questions In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Brian wrote: > First of all, I recommend anyone doing any sort of wireless to get your > ham license or at least browse the material. Start at www.qrz.com for > good info. Lots of EE's hang out on the bulletin boards and stuff too. I actually studied up for my ham license years ago, but never actually bothered getting it. :) > > I mean, I know that yagi's generally have a wider beam than parabolics, > > etc, but that's all gleaned from product specifications, not actual > > information about the antenna. > > Yagi has a wider beam and generally higher gain. Good for hams, bad for > keeping your wireless net private. Most Yagi's I see have a generally lower gain than Parabolic Grid's.. but the wider angle can come in very handy. :) > > But, for a specific question: what's the difference between vertical and > > horizontal polarity on a parabolic? > > With a parbolic your antenna (I don't know your exact design) is is either > a dish or a curved piece of rectangular material. The driven element (the > thingie in the center) is usually a piece of metal that's > oblong (copper pipe works well). Vertical polarization is if the driven > element is higher than it is wide, horizontal is if it's wider than it is > high. There is also circular polarization, which you can use if you have > a round coil as the driven element. Basically for max performance, all > your antennas should be polarized identically. The most common is > vertical since it takes up less "real estate". I've got a 19dBi parabolic grid that I use for testing.. 'twas cheap. That's what I figured polarity meant; just thought I'd make sure. :) Thanks! -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500