I found the following passage from one of my engineering reference books concerning microwave propagation: "Effects of rain attenuation are considered negligible on frequencies below 7000 Mhz. The susceptance of signals above 10,000 Mhz to absorption and scattering by rainfall sometimes limits their application to short path distances. This factor merits close attention in those regions noted for heavy rainfall and, in general, when a high level of reliability is necessary for transmission-line protective relaying, remote supervisory control, and similar critical applications." (Standard Handbook for Electrical Engineers, 11th Ed. Fink and Beatty, pp. 16-99 to 16-100, F.R. Nelson, section author) The above, as noted, is in the context of protective relaying for power systems requiring at least a 99.99% reliability: that's at least a 40db fade margin. These links are in operational fixed service. A street wireless network, however, will find it's place in the land mobile model. The environment surrounding the laptop will present attenuation due to foliage and structures, multipath, and destructive fading. Fade margins to achieve an acceptable level of service will have to approach that of 40 db, else the loss of packets may be intolerable, and render the AP useless at greater than very localized distances. Achieving talk distances greater than a few hundred feet may be problematic in an environment of concrete, steel, and trees at microwave frequencies with power levels of 30 mW. It is my opinion that precipitation should still be considered in calculating propagation reliability for both major nodes (operational fixed, i.e. Tower to Walker) and street downlinks (AP to mobile, i.e. Walker to Loring Park laptop). With some of the downpours and electromagnetic disturbances in the Cities, I would <not> rule out the effects of these conditions. IIRC, I read a propaganda sheet from a manufacturer of ACSB (Amplitude Compandered Sideband) equipment that noted of the failure of an 800 Mhz (trunked?) system due to rainfall in Florida. Neal: nkras at nkras.dsl.visi.com