From nkras at nkras.dsl.visi.com Sun Dec 1 00:32:19 2002 From: nkras at nkras.dsl.visi.com (Neal) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless to ethernet bridge Message-ID: This bridge could be adapted for our purposes. Maybe. http://www.linksys.com/Products/product.asp?grid=22&prid=432 From nkras at nkras.dsl.visi.com Sun Dec 1 00:32:33 2002 From: nkras at nkras.dsl.visi.com (Neal) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Collaboration media Message-ID: I suggest that we abandon IRC for a more secure method for collaboration. We could use either AOL or MSN Messenger, or ICQ. Comments? Neal. nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com From spencer at autonomous.tv Sun Dec 1 04:44:08 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Collaboration media In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20021201063800.GQ6680@tcopensys.com> On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 12:11:12AM -0600, Neal wrote: >I suggest that we abandon IRC for a more secure method for collaboration. We >could use either AOL or MSN Messenger, or ICQ. > >Comments? How do you sign off IRC? I think my client is b0rk3d, it won't disconnect. I would probably use a jabber server or the like. I am not a big fan of corperate services, so AOL and MSN don't much appeal to me. I am willing to help get an open source IM server up and running. I have a bit of bandwith I can share. > >Neal. >nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20021201/31ddecd8/attachment.pgp From ben at nerp.net Sun Dec 1 04:45:10 2002 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Collaboration media In-Reply-To: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 "secure method" How is it that any of the IM protocols are secure? Sorry, the thought made me chuckle. IRC is a perfectly usable multi-user system.. picking a decent network like freenode.net or oftc.net is probably a good idea. they provide a low-noise enviornment for technical work. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Neal wrote: > I suggest that we abandon IRC for a more secure method for collaboration. We > could use either AOL or MSN Messenger, or ICQ. > > Comments? > > Neal. > nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE96cIgflzKmtpiQEMRAkeQAJwMznbHnWtWR04UllNdTgjxl1Fn8ACgj2k6 oUEdmHq90hlioG67Y+J3w1U= =DvKC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From nkras at nkras.dsl.visi.com Sun Dec 1 09:39:23 2002 From: nkras at nkras.dsl.visi.com (Neal) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Collaboration media In-Reply-To: <20021201063800.GQ6680@tcopensys.com> Message-ID: on 12/1/02 12:38 AM, SpencerUnderground at spencer@autonomous.tv wrote: > On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 12:11:12AM -0600, Neal wrote: >> I suggest that we abandon IRC for a more secure method for collaboration. We >> could use either AOL or MSN Messenger, or ICQ. >> >> Comments? > How do you sign off IRC? I think my client is b0rk3d, it won't > disconnect. I used shadow irc under 9.1, didn't have a problem with it. > > I would probably use a jabber server or the like. I am not a big fan of > corperate services, so AOL and MSN don't much appeal to me. I am > willing to help get an open source IM server up and running. I have a > bit of bandwith I can share. Jabber: I forgot about that one. We should look into running our own server if that's what we should do. I don't particularly trust irc. From spencer at autonomous.tv Sun Dec 1 14:19:44 2002 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (SpencerUnderground) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:39 2005 Subject: [wireless] Re: [TCWUG] Collaboration media In-Reply-To: References: <20021201063800.GQ6680@tcopensys.com> Message-ID: <20021201165857.GS6680@tcopensys.com> On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 09:34:13AM -0600, Neal wrote: >on 12/1/02 12:38 AM, SpencerUnderground at spencer@autonomous.tv wrote: > >> On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 12:11:12AM -0600, Neal wrote: >>> I suggest that we abandon IRC for a more secure method for collaboration. We >>> could use either AOL or MSN Messenger, or ICQ. >>> >>> Comments? >> How do you sign off IRC? I think my client is b0rk3d, it won't >> disconnect. > >I used shadow irc under 9.1, didn't have a problem with it. I was being sarcastic =P > >> >> I would probably use a jabber server or the like. I am not a big fan of >> corperate services, so AOL and MSN don't much appeal to me. I am >> willing to help get an open source IM server up and running. I have a >> bit of bandwith I can share. > >Jabber: I forgot about that one. We should look into running our own server >if that's what we should do. I don't particularly trust irc. I don't particularly trust much of any(thing|one). > >-- >------------------------------ >wireless mailing list >wireless@lists.tc-unwired.net >http://www.tc-unwired.net/mailman/listinfo/wireless -- --*--SpencerUnderground--*-- http://autonomous.tv/ spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20021201/5aa2005b/attachment.pgp From duncan at sodatrain.com Sun Dec 1 14:20:23 2002 From: duncan at sodatrain.com (Duncan Shannon) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Collaboration media In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1038767633.20522.5.camel@dhcp-117-847> I run a few jabber servers, with SSL. I am more than happy to help out setting one up. I could mabye even talk my boss into providing a hosted secure IM server (with access to the commercial jabber client ) interested? I am offering to help, however i dont have any feelings on the need to switch "systems" duncan On Sun, 2002-12-01 at 02:02, Ben Kochie wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > "secure method" How is it that any of the IM protocols are secure? > Sorry, the thought made me chuckle. > > IRC is a perfectly usable multi-user system.. picking a decent network > like freenode.net or oftc.net is probably a good idea. they provide a > low-noise enviornment for technical work. > > - -ben > > "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." > > On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Neal wrote: > > > I suggest that we abandon IRC for a more secure method for collaboration. We > > could use either AOL or MSN Messenger, or ICQ. > > > > Comments? > > > > Neal. > > nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQE96cIgflzKmtpiQEMRAkeQAJwMznbHnWtWR04UllNdTgjxl1Fn8ACgj2k6 > oUEdmHq90hlioG67Y+J3w1U= > =DvKC > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at nkras.dsl.visi.com Sun Dec 1 21:57:52 2002 From: nkras at nkras.dsl.visi.com (Neal) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:39 2005 Subject: [wireless] Re: [TCWUG] Collaboration media In-Reply-To: <1630.160.94.73.213.1038798868.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> Message-ID: on 12/1/02 9:14 PM, mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu at mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu wrote: > Hey gang- > > I must be missing something here. *Why* does the group need a *secure* > means of chatting with each other? Did Uncle Sam sniff someone's packets > or something? Are we committing crimes, or planning multi-million-dollar > business decisions? > > Unless there is more of a reason then "Just because we can, I think we > should," then why talk about security? Is what we are chatting about worth > protecting? > > I clearly missed something here. > > Regards, > ---Matthew Genelin--- I was just making a comment...uh, suggestion. Sheesh. . From chrome at real-time.com Mon Dec 2 01:39:06 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Collaboration media In-Reply-To: ; from nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com on Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 12:11:12AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20021202004204.A29013@real-time.com> On Sun, Dec 01, 2002 at 12:11:12AM -0600, Neal wrote: > I suggest that we abandon IRC for a more secure method for collaboration. We > could use either AOL or MSN Messenger, or ICQ. the thing to ask yourself is 'do we really have anything to secure?' this is all discussion in a public forum anyway. if you have something you wish to say privately to someone in a secure fashion, this is what GPG is for. if everyone needs to see it, you don't need to keep secrets about it (authentication is another matter, but again, GPG comes to the rescue is anyone doubts that it's you). in my experience, IM's are more trouble than they're usually worth. e-mail and IRC serve my rapid messaging/communication needs. if you want to get ahold of me, send me e-mail. if you want to converse rapidly, tell me to join an IRC channel somewhere. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From natecars at real-time.com Mon Dec 2 11:03:49 2002 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Collaboration media In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Neal wrote: > I suggest that we abandon IRC for a more secure method for > collaboration. We could use either AOL or MSN Messenger, or ICQ. "more secure"?! have you ever run a packet sniffer on a network with people using aol, msn, or icq? you can read their messages just as easily as irc.. iirc, AOL actually sells a gateway product for corporations that sniffs and logs everyone's AIM traffic now, too.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From tanner at real-time.com Mon Dec 2 11:47:55 2002 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Collaboration media In-Reply-To: ; from natecars@real-time.com on Mon, Dec 02, 2002 at 10:24:32AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20021202111250.H3288@real-time.com> Quoting Nate Carlson (natecars@real-time.com): > On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Neal wrote: > > I suggest that we abandon IRC for a more secure method for > > collaboration. We could use either AOL or MSN Messenger, or ICQ. > > "more secure"?! > > have you ever run a packet sniffer on a network with people using aol, > msn, or icq? > > you can read their messages just as easily as irc.. > > iirc, AOL actually sells a gateway product for corporations that sniffs > and logs everyone's AIM traffic now, too.. Using gabber, you can encrypt your transmissions with gnupg. I believe there is something similar in xchat. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Dec 3 09:49:11 2002 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] postponed: meeting for this month ... (12-2002) Message-ID: <20021203150324.GC73280@botwerks.org> all- i'm sorry but i will have to postpone the meeting this month since it looks like i won't be able to make it back into the twin cities until 6:30 this evening, best case. this is cutting it a bit too close for my tastes and if there is a delay i wouldn't want folks to be down in bloomington w/o a meetingplace or a meeting to attend. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC From nkras at nkras.dsl.visi.com Tue Dec 3 12:53:29 2002 From: nkras at nkras.dsl.visi.com (Neal) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] VPN Message-ID: In addition to any operational fixed b sites, I was thinking that sites can be linked by vpn. I'm about to buy a router, but I was waiting to find out what everyone thought of the idea before I buy the equipment. Does anyone else have vpn available to form such a network? If so, I'll buy the router. Neal. nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com From chrome at real-time.com Tue Dec 3 13:59:57 2002 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] VPN In-Reply-To: ; from nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com on Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 10:10:34AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20021203131639.E1092@real-time.com> On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 10:10:34AM -0600, Neal wrote: > In addition to any operational fixed b sites, I was thinking that sites can > be linked by vpn. I'm about to buy a router, but I was waiting to find out > what everyone thought of the idea before I buy the equipment. Does anyone > else have vpn available to form such a network? If so, I'll buy the router. what kind of VPN router were you contemplating? Carl. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Dec 3 14:44:39 2002 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier - dieman) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: VPN In-Reply-To: <20021203131639.E1092@real-time.com> Message-ID: More like, how many megabit are you expecting to deal with. On Tue, 3 Dec 2002, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > On Tue, Dec 03, 2002 at 10:10:34AM -0600, Neal wrote: > > In addition to any operational fixed b sites, I was thinking that sites can > > be linked by vpn. I'm about to buy a router, but I was waiting to find out > > what everyone thought of the idea before I buy the equipment. Does anyone > > else have vpn available to form such a network? If so, I'll buy the router. > > what kind of VPN router were you contemplating? > > Carl. > -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ From nkras at nkras.dsl.visi.com Tue Dec 3 19:02:28 2002 From: nkras at nkras.dsl.visi.com (Neal) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Establishing a corporation, forms and information Message-ID: I was at the Secretary of State's office today in the State Office Building, St. Paul, and got some very good information and forms: 1. Articles of Incorporation, Business and Nonprofit Corporations (form); 2. Articles of Incorporation (printed template); 3. Articles of Incorporation, Chapter 308A (Cooperative) (form); and, 4. A guide to Starting a Business in Minnesota, Minnesota Small Business Assistance Office, Minnesota Department of Trade and Economic Development (book, 325 pages). I'll bring them to the next meeting. Neal. nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com