all- my apologies for the delay in getting this message out. it turns out that i have some hard commitments for work which mean that i won't be able to host the meeting this week. after bouncing at across the folks in #tcwug (albeit a faithful and small audience) it sounds like another informal meeting this saturday (nov-16, 2002) would be in order and we can follow up with a more formal meeting on tuesday nov-19, 2002. given my rather hectic travel schedule it might be in the best interests of the group as a whole to consider arrangements which are not so closely tied to my providing a meeting location. happy as work is to accomodate us in this matter it does fall upon me and my awkward at times schedule to handle this. i really don't like the notion of impacting the group negatively like this. might i suggest that we make planning for logistics and such a priority item for discussion when we meet? -- steve ulrich sulrich at botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC