setting aside the issues associated with the terms of the lease and such. i would like to applaud arnan for stepping up to the plate and being willing to engage the ham club and tcwug in what i think is ultimately a very generous offer. being pragmatic about things i don't think that there's anything in the terms of the lease offered by arnan that is draconian - this is standard lease stuff, which includes holding the leasee responsible for the state of the goods given that they don't really hold title to the gear in question. i don't think that it's fair for arnan to lease the gear (at zero cost) and expect them to pay for the gear to be fixed if something happens to it. unfortunately - i believe we've run into the the hurdle that i think we all saw coming wrt a loose knit group of individuals having an interest in a particular technology and no formal mechanisms to engage organizations (read: businesses) that would like to do something good, like arnan. despite the best held intentions of the parties involved, there are times when the needs of both cannot be addressed. in all fairness i doubt we (tcwug specifically) are in a position to engage anybody in such a dialog until we formalize (legally) our organization. as an aside - it would likely behoove us (tcwug) to come to a good working arrangement with the gopher radio club to address these matters in the best (overlapping) interests of the 2 groups. when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, Oct 08, 2002), Chandler Heath was madly tapping out: > After reading the "Lease" the equipment to be provided shows 10dB > Omni and 500mW amplifier. Does the Ham Club assume responsibility > for proper use? The use of a 500mW amp with an Omni is questionable. > > Chandler > { snipped - misc previous correspondence } -- steve ulrich sulrich at botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC