Yes, security does matter. It will matter for as long as we all will live. Why are manufacturer including WEP on their hardware at all? I doubt that it is cost effective to. In the business environment, security is becoming priority number one it is not already. The way I see wireless access points is that they are like a door. You an either leave it open or close the door with WEP or some other more advanced security. I think an open door is generally regarded as inviting but maybe it depends on the context. What does non-secure 802.11 from an unknown source in my house say? Hop on the network or say off? Anyways, it should not and does not have to be about annoying/scaring/threatening/blackmailing, it should be about education and cooperation. If TCWUG isn't informing and working with the public then what is it for? TCWUG should be helping people setup open networks as correctly as we can in their neighborhood either by doing site surveys, recommending hardware, basic guidance on AP setup, and just spreading the wireless word. Andrew _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list at tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list