On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 16:55, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > "IT WORKS FINE FOR ME, AND THATS ALL THAT MATTERS" Thats usually a few minutes before their ISP disconnects them because their machine is running (a legitmately or worm installed) wide open winproxy. :) The problem being, is that abuse will eventually catch up to these, and those people will bear mroe trouble than its worth. Someday, however, I expect people to figure it out, not people evangalizing to non-techies about it. I doubt they care, yet. It was funny to see the speculation on /. about the worm causing the power outage today. Someday there will be an emergency caused by a widespread security issue that people end up ignoring, and they will start to learn why its important to care. Scary enough, the CERT BOF at usenix 2001 the #1 thing that scared a few of the guys there was electricity control computer networks and their exposure to the internet. (from their own consulting experience) Of course, this was 'pre 9/11', but yikes. Thanks! -- Scott Dier <dieman at ringworld.org> KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list at tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list