From kaze0010 at umn.edu Tue Dec 2 00:56:07 2003 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:09 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 In-Reply-To: <20031123003038.A18094@florence.linkmargin.com> References: <20031123053626.GA49467@botwerks.org> <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> <20031121234110.GV21392@techmonkeys.org> <20031121205134.A14181@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031122065736.GE21282@ringworld.org> <20031122152601.GA38083@botwerks.org> <20031122181354.A17180@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031123053626.GA49467@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20031202005607.018be9f0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Hi everyone, I think I may have found a decent much lower cost alternative to the Soekris boxes in the form of a Fujitsu Stylistic 1000. They're not very expensive on ebay (under $50) and they got a 640x480 screen, 2 PCMCIA slots and 1 bootable PCMCIA slot. They're basically tablet PCs from about 1996. -Haudy More info http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/FujitsuStylistic1000 http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/DebianApImage http://www.the-labs.com/Stylistic/1000.html http://www.fpc.fujitsu.com/www/support.shtml?support/techspecs/pentabs/Styli stic1000 Stylistic 1000 Technical Specifications Form Factor Small tablet size, pen-based computer Overall Dimensions 7.3" x 11.0" x 1.6" 185 mm x 279 mm x 40 mm Weight (with battery pack) 3.5 lbs. (1.6 Kg) Architecture IBM PC-AT compatible Microprocessor AMD Am486 DX4, 100 MHz 8 KB On-Chip Cache Integrated Math Coprocessor System Memory 8 MB DRAM standard Upgradeable to 12 MB, 16 MB, 24 MB BIOS 512 KB Flash ROM Expansion One ATA Slot (Mass Storage) Accepts Type III PCMCIA-ATA hard disk card or Type II/III solid-state flash card (SanDisk) Two PCMCIA 2.1 Slots Accepts two Type II PCMCIA cards or one Type III PCMCIA card Display DSTN Color LCD Backlit, 8" (197 mm) diagonal 0.25 mm dot pitch 640 x 480 VGA resolution, 256 colors Digitizer Electromagnetic Digitizing Tablet 1016 points/inch resolution 133 points/second sampling rate Interfaces Keyboard (PS/2 style) Parallel (ECP, Bi-directional) VGA (simultaneous with LCD) RS-232C Serial IrDA (or Rx/Tx Serial with Port Replicator) System Interface Port (for Port Replicator) External Floppy Disk Drive Mouse (only with Port Replicator) Power Lithium ion Battery Pack Autosensing 100-240V, 50/60 Hz AC Adapter Battery Life 3-6 Hours (application dependent) Power Management Save-To-Disk, Suspend and Standby Modes Supports Intel and Microsoft APM 1.1 Options Memory Expansion Modules (4 MB, 8 MB, 16 MB) PCMCIA ATA Hard Disk Cards (260 MB and 340 MB) PCMCIA Cards such as: Fax/Data Modem, LAN, SanDisk, Solid-state Flash, and SRAM Port Replicator External 3.5" Floppy Disk Drive Keyboard (low-power) Auto Adapter (12-24 VDC input) Dual Battery Charger Bar Code Wand Desk Stand Hand Straps Stylus Tether Screen Protector Slipcase Harsh Environment Case Keyboard Combo Case AC Adapter (spare) Lithium ion Battery Pack (spare) Stylus Kit (spare) Operating Systems Windows 95 with Pen Services 2.0 MS-DOS 6.2 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with Pen Extensions 1.0 Environmentals Temperature 0? to 35? C (32? to 95? F) Operating -20? to 60? C (-4? to 140? F) Non-operating Humidity 20% to 85% RH (Non-condensing) Operating 8% to 95% RH (Non-condensing) Non-operating Altitude -200ft to 10,000ft (-61m to 3,047m) Operating 40,000ft (12,189m) Maximum Non-operating "If you're reading this, read it again." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Dec 2 06:45:03 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:09 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031202005607.018be9f0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> References: <20031123053626.GA49467@botwerks.org> <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> <20031121234110.GV21392@techmonkeys.org> <20031121205134.A14181@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031122065736.GE21282@ringworld.org> <20031122152601.GA38083@botwerks.org> <20031122181354.A17180@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031123053626.GA49467@botwerks.org> <3.0.5.32.20031202005607.018be9f0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <59589FDA-24C5-11D8-9720-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> i recall that the ptp folks really liked these things. the problem i ran into was finding a reliable source for them. they seemed to disappear off ebay rather quickly. have you seen any reliable sources? the other thing that always concerned me was the propensity of LCD displays to go down the toilet in cold weather and suck on the juice. this thing seems to have enough guts to run a lightly loaded IGP as well. the other thing i was wondering about was the ease with which one of these things can be hacked for PoE. On Dec 2, 2003, at 12:56 AM, Haudy Kazemi wrote: > Hi everyone, > > I think I may have found a decent much lower cost alternative to the > Soekris boxes in the form of a Fujitsu Stylistic 1000. They're not > very > expensive on ebay (under $50) and they got a 640x480 screen, 2 PCMCIA > slots > and 1 bootable PCMCIA slot. They're basically tablet PCs from about > 1996. > > -Haudy > > More info > http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/FujitsuStylistic1000 > http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/DebianApImage > http://www.the-labs.com/Stylistic/1000.html > http://www.fpc.fujitsu.com/www/support.shtml?support/techspecs/ > pentabs/Styli > stic1000 {snipped - misc. previous content} -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Tue Dec 2 10:04:57 2003 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 In-Reply-To: <59589FDA-24C5-11D8-9720-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org>; from sulrich@botwerks.org on Tue, Dec 02, 2003 at 06:45:03AM -0600 References: <00bc01c3b072$189e1740$6601a8c0@stratlap2> <20031121234110.GV21392@techmonkeys.org> <20031121205134.A14181@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031122065736.GE21282@ringworld.org> <20031122152601.GA38083@botwerks.org> <20031122181354.A17180@florence.linkmargin.com> <20031123053626.GA49467@botwerks.org> <3.0.5.32.20031202005607.018be9f0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> <59589FDA-24C5-11D8-9720-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20031202100457.B1234@florence.linkmargin.com> steve ulrich wrote: > i recall that the ptp folks really liked these things. the problem i > ran into was finding a reliable source for them. they seemed to > disappear off ebay rather quickly. have you seen any reliable sources? I'm a fan of the ITX form factor solutions. They sport a single PCI slot, and no built-in cardbus/PCMCIA, but you can choose your own speed/power-consumption sweet spot and get all kinds of power options (car, battery, wall-wart.) For example: http://store.mini-box.com/ituner/viaepiame6000.html There's a raft of other sources. go googling.. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From rsiggy101 at yahoo.com Wed Dec 3 12:28:43 2003 From: rsiggy101 at yahoo.com (rsiggy101) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2 References: Message-ID: <003c01c3b9cb$4ecb6cc0$1702a8c0@hal2000> Anyone Else have a problem with the Linksys WPC54G card? Seems to repeatedly drop link with strong 802.b AP. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2 > Send tcwug-list mailing list submissions to > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tcwug-list-request@tcwug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tcwug-list-owner@tcwug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tcwug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Dunn Bros. on third (Toni Decker) > 2. soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 (Haudy Kazemi) > 3. Re: soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 (steve ulrich) > 4. Re: soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 (Andy Warner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:35:04 -0600 > From: Toni Decker > Subject: [TCWUG] Dunn Bros. on third > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Are there any new mac powerbook users out there experiencing an > inability to get online at the Dunn Bros. on third. I have been in > there 3 times and have not been able to get online. I see the signal > is strong on my airport card and it's finding pc speed as the network > and giving me an ip address, but when I try to use my browser I get the > message server can't be found. I've spoken with other new powerbook > owners and they have the same problem. For some reason it's doesn't > seem to affect the old powerbooks or the iBooks. This is the only > wifi location that I"ve had this problem and I would really like to > resolve it. > > Any help would greatly be appreciated. > > Thanks > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 00:56:07 -0600 > From: Haudy Kazemi > Subject: [TCWUG] soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 > To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20031202005607.018be9f0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi everyone, > > I think I may have found a decent much lower cost alternative to the > Soekris boxes in the form of a Fujitsu Stylistic 1000. They're not very > expensive on ebay (under $50) and they got a 640x480 screen, 2 PCMCIA slots > and 1 bootable PCMCIA slot. They're basically tablet PCs from about 1996. > > -Haudy > > More info > http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/FujitsuStylistic1000 > http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/DebianApImage > http://www.the-labs.com/Stylistic/1000.html > http://www.fpc.fujitsu.com/www/support.shtml?support/techspecs/pentabs/Styli > stic1000 > > Stylistic 1000 Technical Specifications > > Form Factor > Small tablet size, pen-based computer > Overall Dimensions > 7.3" x 11.0" x 1.6" > 185 mm x 279 mm x 40 mm > Weight (with battery pack) > 3.5 lbs. (1.6 Kg) > Architecture > IBM PC-AT compatible > Microprocessor > AMD Am486 DX4, 100 MHz > 8 KB On-Chip Cache > Integrated Math Coprocessor > System Memory > 8 MB DRAM standard > Upgradeable to 12 MB, 16 MB, 24 MB > BIOS > 512 KB Flash ROM > Expansion > One ATA Slot (Mass Storage) > Accepts Type III PCMCIA-ATA hard disk card or Type II/III solid-state flash > card (SanDisk) > Two PCMCIA 2.1 Slots > Accepts two Type II PCMCIA cards or one Type III PCMCIA card > Display > DSTN Color LCD > Backlit, 8" (197 mm) diagonal > 0.25 mm dot pitch > 640 x 480 VGA resolution, 256 colors > Digitizer > Electromagnetic Digitizing Tablet > 1016 points/inch resolution > 133 points/second sampling rate > Interfaces > Keyboard (PS/2 style) > Parallel (ECP, Bi-directional) > VGA (simultaneous with LCD) > RS-232C Serial > IrDA (or Rx/Tx Serial with Port Replicator) > System Interface Port (for Port Replicator) > External Floppy Disk Drive > Mouse (only with Port Replicator) > Power > Lithium ion Battery Pack > Autosensing 100-240V, 50/60 Hz AC Adapter > Battery Life > 3-6 Hours (application dependent) > Power Management > Save-To-Disk, Suspend and Standby Modes > Supports Intel and Microsoft APM 1.1 > Options > Memory Expansion Modules > (4 MB, 8 MB, 16 MB) > PCMCIA ATA Hard Disk Cards > (260 MB and 340 MB) > PCMCIA Cards such as: > Fax/Data Modem, LAN, SanDisk, Solid-state Flash, and SRAM > Port Replicator > External 3.5" Floppy Disk Drive > Keyboard (low-power) > Auto Adapter (12-24 VDC input) > Dual Battery Charger > Bar Code Wand > Desk Stand > Hand Straps > Stylus Tether > Screen Protector > Slipcase > Harsh Environment Case > Keyboard Combo Case > AC Adapter (spare) > Lithium ion Battery Pack (spare) > Stylus Kit (spare) > Operating Systems > Windows 95 with Pen Services 2.0 > MS-DOS 6.2 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with Pen Extensions 1.0 > Environmentals > Temperature > 0? to 35? C (32? to 95? F) Operating > -20? to 60? C (-4? to 140? F) Non-operating > Humidity > 20% to 85% RH (Non-condensing) Operating > 8% to 95% RH (Non-condensing) Non-operating > Altitude > -200ft to 10,000ft (-61m to 3,047m) Operating > 40,000ft (12,189m) Maximum Non-operating > > > "If you're reading this, read it again." > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:45:03 -0600 > From: steve ulrich > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 > To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > Message-ID: <59589FDA-24C5-11D8-9720-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > i recall that the ptp folks really liked these things. the problem i > ran into was finding a reliable source for them. they seemed to > disappear off ebay rather quickly. have you seen any reliable sources? > the other thing that always concerned me was the propensity of LCD > displays to go down the toilet in cold weather and suck on the juice. > this thing seems to have enough guts to run a lightly loaded IGP as > well. > > the other thing i was wondering about was the ease with which one of > these things can be hacked for PoE. > > > On Dec 2, 2003, at 12:56 AM, Haudy Kazemi wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I think I may have found a decent much lower cost alternative to the > > Soekris boxes in the form of a Fujitsu Stylistic 1000. They're not > > very > > expensive on ebay (under $50) and they got a 640x480 screen, 2 PCMCIA > > slots > > and 1 bootable PCMCIA slot. They're basically tablet PCs from about > > 1996. > > > > -Haudy > > > > More info > > http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/FujitsuStylistic1000 > > http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/DebianApImage > > http://www.the-labs.com/Stylistic/1000.html > > http://www.fpc.fujitsu.com/www/support.shtml?support/techspecs/ > > pentabs/Styli > > stic1000 > > {snipped - misc. previous content} > > -- > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:04:57 -0600 > From: Andy Warner > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 > To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > Message-ID: <20031202100457.B1234@florence.linkmargin.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > steve ulrich wrote: > > i recall that the ptp folks really liked these things. the problem i > > ran into was finding a reliable source for them. they seemed to > > disappear off ebay rather quickly. have you seen any reliable sources? > > I'm a fan of the ITX form factor solutions. They sport a > single PCI slot, and no built-in cardbus/PCMCIA, but > you can choose your own speed/power-consumption sweet > spot and get all kinds of power options (car, battery, > wall-wart.) > > For example: > > http://store.mini-box.com/ituner/viaepiame6000.html > > There's a raft of other sources. go googling.. > -- > andyw@pobox.com > > Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > tcwug-list mailing list > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > End of tcwug-list Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2 > **************************************** _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mellsworth at stratvantage.com Wed Dec 3 12:49:40 2003 From: mellsworth at stratvantage.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <003c01c3b9cb$4ecb6cc0$1702a8c0@hal2000> Message-ID: <015901c3b9ce$35b59500$6601a8c0@stratlap2> Yeah, it's a known problem with the Dunn Bros. on Third. Don't know if it's a factor of a "strong" AP, though. Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com Get a free one-hour wireless network evaluation. Forward this message to freebie@theWiMAXGuys.com www.TheWiMAXGuys.com ? ? They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ? Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of rsiggy101 Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:29 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] Re: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2 Anyone Else have a problem with the Linksys WPC54G card? Seems to repeatedly drop link with strong 802.b AP. Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:00 PM Subject: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2 > Send tcwug-list mailing list submissions to > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tcwug-list-request@tcwug.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tcwug-list-owner@tcwug.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of tcwug-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Dunn Bros. on third (Toni Decker) > 2. soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 (Haudy Kazemi) > 3. Re: soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 (steve ulrich) > 4. Re: soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 (Andy Warner) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:35:04 -0600 > From: Toni Decker > Subject: [TCWUG] Dunn Bros. on third > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Are there any new mac powerbook users out there experiencing an > inability to get online at the Dunn Bros. on third. I have been in > there 3 times and have not been able to get online. I see the signal > is strong on my airport card and it's finding pc speed as the network > and giving me an ip address, but when I try to use my browser I get the > message server can't be found. I've spoken with other new powerbook > owners and they have the same problem. For some reason it's doesn't > seem to affect the old powerbooks or the iBooks. This is the only > wifi location that I"ve had this problem and I would really like to > resolve it. > > Any help would greatly be appreciated. > > Thanks > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 02 Dec 2003 00:56:07 -0600 > From: Haudy Kazemi > Subject: [TCWUG] soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 > To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20031202005607.018be9f0@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hi everyone, > > I think I may have found a decent much lower cost alternative to the > Soekris boxes in the form of a Fujitsu Stylistic 1000. They're not very > expensive on ebay (under $50) and they got a 640x480 screen, 2 PCMCIA slots > and 1 bootable PCMCIA slot. They're basically tablet PCs from about 1996. > > -Haudy > > More info > http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/FujitsuStylistic1000 > http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/DebianApImage > http://www.the-labs.com/Stylistic/1000.html > http://www.fpc.fujitsu.com/www/support.shtml?support/techspecs/pentabs/Styli > stic1000 > > Stylistic 1000 Technical Specifications > > Form Factor > Small tablet size, pen-based computer > Overall Dimensions > 7.3" x 11.0" x 1.6" > 185 mm x 279 mm x 40 mm > Weight (with battery pack) > 3.5 lbs. (1.6 Kg) > Architecture > IBM PC-AT compatible > Microprocessor > AMD Am486 DX4, 100 MHz > 8 KB On-Chip Cache > Integrated Math Coprocessor > System Memory > 8 MB DRAM standard > Upgradeable to 12 MB, 16 MB, 24 MB > BIOS > 512 KB Flash ROM > Expansion > One ATA Slot (Mass Storage) > Accepts Type III PCMCIA-ATA hard disk card or Type II/III solid-state flash > card (SanDisk) > Two PCMCIA 2.1 Slots > Accepts two Type II PCMCIA cards or one Type III PCMCIA card > Display > DSTN Color LCD > Backlit, 8" (197 mm) diagonal > 0.25 mm dot pitch > 640 x 480 VGA resolution, 256 colors > Digitizer > Electromagnetic Digitizing Tablet > 1016 points/inch resolution > 133 points/second sampling rate > Interfaces > Keyboard (PS/2 style) > Parallel (ECP, Bi-directional) > VGA (simultaneous with LCD) > RS-232C Serial > IrDA (or Rx/Tx Serial with Port Replicator) > System Interface Port (for Port Replicator) > External Floppy Disk Drive > Mouse (only with Port Replicator) > Power > Lithium ion Battery Pack > Autosensing 100-240V, 50/60 Hz AC Adapter > Battery Life > 3-6 Hours (application dependent) > Power Management > Save-To-Disk, Suspend and Standby Modes > Supports Intel and Microsoft APM 1.1 > Options > Memory Expansion Modules > (4 MB, 8 MB, 16 MB) > PCMCIA ATA Hard Disk Cards > (260 MB and 340 MB) > PCMCIA Cards such as: > Fax/Data Modem, LAN, SanDisk, Solid-state Flash, and SRAM > Port Replicator > External 3.5" Floppy Disk Drive > Keyboard (low-power) > Auto Adapter (12-24 VDC input) > Dual Battery Charger > Bar Code Wand > Desk Stand > Hand Straps > Stylus Tether > Screen Protector > Slipcase > Harsh Environment Case > Keyboard Combo Case > AC Adapter (spare) > Lithium ion Battery Pack (spare) > Stylus Kit (spare) > Operating Systems > Windows 95 with Pen Services 2.0 > MS-DOS 6.2 and Windows for Workgroups 3.11 with Pen Extensions 1.0 > Environmentals > Temperature > 0? to 35? C (32? to 95? F) Operating > -20? to 60? C (-4? to 140? F) Non-operating > Humidity > 20% to 85% RH (Non-condensing) Operating > 8% to 95% RH (Non-condensing) Non-operating > Altitude > -200ft to 10,000ft (-61m to 3,047m) Operating > 40,000ft (12,189m) Maximum Non-operating > > > "If you're reading this, read it again." > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 06:45:03 -0600 > From: steve ulrich > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 > To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > Message-ID: <59589FDA-24C5-11D8-9720-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > i recall that the ptp folks really liked these things. the problem i > ran into was finding a reliable source for them. they seemed to > disappear off ebay rather quickly. have you seen any reliable sources? > the other thing that always concerned me was the propensity of LCD > displays to go down the toilet in cold weather and suck on the juice. > this thing seems to have enough guts to run a lightly loaded IGP as > well. > > the other thing i was wondering about was the ease with which one of > these things can be hacked for PoE. > > > On Dec 2, 2003, at 12:56 AM, Haudy Kazemi wrote: > > > Hi everyone, > > > > I think I may have found a decent much lower cost alternative to the > > Soekris boxes in the form of a Fujitsu Stylistic 1000. They're not > > very > > expensive on ebay (under $50) and they got a 640x480 screen, 2 PCMCIA > > slots > > and 1 bootable PCMCIA slot. They're basically tablet PCs from about > > 1996. > > > > -Haudy > > > > More info > > http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/FujitsuStylistic1000 > > http://www.personaltelco.net/index.cgi/DebianApImage > > http://www.the-labs.com/Stylistic/1000.html > > http://www.fpc.fujitsu.com/www/support.shtml?support/techspecs/ > > pentabs/Styli > > stic1000 > > {snipped - misc. previous content} > > -- > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 2 Dec 2003 10:04:57 -0600 > From: Andy Warner > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] soekris alternative...Fujitsu Stylistic 1000 > To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > Message-ID: <20031202100457.B1234@florence.linkmargin.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > steve ulrich wrote: > > i recall that the ptp folks really liked these things. the problem i > > ran into was finding a reliable source for them. they seemed to > > disappear off ebay rather quickly. have you seen any reliable sources? > > I'm a fan of the ITX form factor solutions. They sport a > single PCI slot, and no built-in cardbus/PCMCIA, but > you can choose your own speed/power-consumption sweet > spot and get all kinds of power options (car, battery, > wall-wart.) > > For example: > > http://store.mini-box.com/ituner/viaepiame6000.html > > There's a raft of other sources. go googling.. > -- > andyw@pobox.com > > Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > tcwug-list mailing list > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > End of tcwug-list Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2 > **************************************** _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Dec 3 13:12:30 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: <015901c3b9ce$35b59500$6601a8c0@stratlap2> Message-ID: Yes, it's a known problem for Apple 802.11g hardware at 3rd Street, but I had not seen mention of 3rd street in his question nor had I seen any previous complaint about a Linksys g card on a strong b source. Check below.. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Mike Ellsworth > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2003 12:50 PM > To: 'rsiggy101'; 'Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List' > Subject: RE: [TCWUG] Re: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2 > > > Yeah, it's a known problem with the Dunn Bros. on Third. Don't know if it's > a factor of a "strong" AP, though. > > Mike Ellsworth > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] On > Behalf Of rsiggy101 > > Anyone Else have a problem with the Linksys WPC54G card? Seems to > repeatedly drop link with strong 802.b AP. > Rob > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2003 12:00 PM > Subject: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 3, Issue 2 > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Dunn Bros. on third (Toni Decker) > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 07:35:04 -0600 > > From: Toni Decker > > Subject: [TCWUG] Dunn Bros. on third > > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > > > Are there any new mac powerbook users out there experiencing an > > inability to get online at the Dunn Bros. on third. I have been in > > there 3 times and have not been able to get online. I see the signal > > is strong on my airport card and it's finding pc speed as the network > > and giving me an ip address, but when I try to use my browser I get the > > message server can't be found. I've spoken with other new powerbook > > owners and they have the same problem. For some reason it's doesn't > > seem to affect the old powerbooks or the iBooks. This is the only > > wifi location that I"ve had this problem and I would really like to > > resolve it. > > > > Any help would greatly be appreciated. > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Fri Dec 5 22:45:30 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia: ora newsletter 05dec, 2003 Message-ID: <04E16E3E-27A7-11D8-AAEC-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From KROLFZEN at mn.rr.com Sat Dec 6 14:40:34 2003 From: KROLFZEN at mn.rr.com (Toni Decker) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Dunn Bros. on third Message-ID: <70EAE340-282C-11D8-B947-000A959835B0@mn.rr.com> Just checked in this afternoon and all is well. I'm now able to get online, hope that's the case with everyone else who was having problems at this location. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Dec 7 00:00:46 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:10 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Dunn Bros. on third In-Reply-To: <70EAE340-282C-11D8-B947-000A959835B0@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: Is your data useful or conclusive? I don't see your connection to the problems that were experienced, nor did I see your statement of your observed resolution of any of those. I never had a problem there with plain vanilla 802.11b Don't believe anybody else did either. I think most of the problems ever reported were Apple products that have an 802.11g card Those would not connect there at 11MHz. Somebody also had a problem losing packets with a Linksys 54MHz card. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Toni Decker > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 2:41 PM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: [TCWUG] Dunn Bros. on third > > > Just checked in this afternoon and all is well. I'm now able to get > online, hope that's the case with everyone else who was having problems > at this location. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Dec 7 09:28:57 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia: User Groups can win a pass to an O'Reilly Conference Message-ID: <20031207152857.GA27146@botwerks.org> all- something that might (or might not) bear brief discussion at the next meeting. by way of an FYI. i seem to recall having put together some random drawing stuff for something similar a year or two for our meetings. if there's interest, please let me know (i don't believe i'll be able to attend the meeting this week) and i'll run the drawing. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Enter your group to win one pass to: The Third Annual O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference February 9-12, 2004 Westin Horton Plaza San Diego San Diego, CA 92101 http://conferences.oreilly.com/etech/ The lucky winning group will be given a "conference sessions only" pass to attend the conference, valued at $1175.00. 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I don't see your connection to the > problems that > were experienced, nor did I see your statement of your observed > resolution of any of > those. > > I never had a problem there with plain vanilla 802.11b Don't believe > anybody else did > either. > > I think most of the problems ever reported were Apple products that > have an 802.11g card > Those would not connect there at 11MHz. Somebody also had a problem > losing packets with > a Linksys 54MHz card. In my testing with Greg at SurfThing, I could join the network, get an address via DHCP, ping other hosts on the network, and even could see broadcast traffic on the network. What I could not do was ping the gateway. This testing was done at Dunn on Como in St. Anthony Park. It seems like a firmware issue on the router that provides NAT on the network. I was able to use the SurfThing network at Dunn at the Mall of America just fine. Perhaps the firmware/router has been upgraded/swapped out at Dunn on 3rd? cheers! -- Ted Rattei tedr@rattei.org 612-201-2393 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Sun Dec 7 14:59:16 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Dunn Bros. on third In-Reply-To: <25505B5A-28CF-11D8-8CF6-000A95A53942@rattei.org> Message-ID: Where are we now? So.. does your report say that: 1) Dunn 3rd St that uses PC Speed WISP is unchanged and probably still has a show stopping problems with some 802.11g client products (eg, Apple & Linksys), but has no known problem with 802.11b client products. 2) The Dunn site on Como that use SurfThing WISP also has show stopping problems with Apple 802.11g client products and maybe other g's. 3) Apple's 802.11g products work in 802.11b mode at one or more SurtfThing 802.11b sites. 4) Most 802.11b WISP sites work fine with 802.11b client products. 5) You have no clarification for Toni Decker's recent Apple observation at 3rd St... ie, this success report is new but not known to be a server vs client end change, and not known to be the elusive g-to-g or b connection via Apple g-capable client. I think those are the inclusive summary statements. Status seems to be that the problems with g client hardware continue unchanged at sites tested so far, and no site (except maybe Spyhouse - below) has 802.11b client problems. FWIW, I tried Spyhouse Coffee at 24th & Nicollet yesterday and found it strange and anomalous for 802.11b service. Their free service is WEP protected, and one must get the connection info from a card posted over the straw dispenser by napkins, etc. A regular there told me that the setup is a nuisance and it has frequent dropouts for no apparent reason. The posted card says: password = spyhouse code = 7BAB647AC753EEBF6F080DEEC2 I think they mean SSID = Spyhouse, and Key = ... (best to copy and paste this long key above since entry is blind and must be 100% correct). I experienced strangeness in connecting as well as unexplaind dropouts with very strong and seemingly constant signal level. This site seems to have many users, so the dropouts may be due to some "active headcount" issues. Does anyone here go there often enough to know what's going on? The regular customer that helped me believes the setup is naive and stumbling about. Perhaps the "site guru" at Spyhouse needs some TCWUG help. I'd like to see what somebody else thinks about the Spyhouse setup. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Ted Rattei > Sent: Sunday, December 07, 2003 10:05 AM > To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Dunn Bros. on third > > > > On Dec 7, 2003, at 12:00 AM, Chuck Cole wrote (re posting by Toni Decker (see below): > > Is your data useful or conclusive? I don't see your connection to the > > problems that > > were experienced, nor did I see your statement of your observed > > resolution of any of > > those. > > > > I never had a problem there with plain vanilla 802.11b Don't believe > > anybody else did > > either. > > > > I think most of the problems ever reported were Apple products that > > have an 802.11g card > > Those would not connect there at 11MHz. Somebody also had a problem > > losing packets with > > a Linksys 54MHz card. > > In my testing with Greg at SurfThing, I could join the network, get an > address via DHCP, ping other hosts on the network, and even could see > broadcast traffic on the network. What I could not do was ping the > gateway. This testing was done at Dunn on Como in St. Anthony Park. > It seems like a firmware issue on the router that provides NAT on the > network. I was able to use the SurfThing network at Dunn at the Mall > of America just fine. Perhaps the firmware/router has been > upgraded/swapped out at Dunn on 3rd? > > cheers! > > -- > Ted Rattei > tedr@rattei.org > 612-201-2393 > reposting the ambiguous original I commented upon: From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org on behalf of Toni Decker [KROLFZEN@mn.rr.com] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2003 2:41 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] Dunn Bros. on third Just checked in this afternoon and all is well. I'm now able to get online, hope that's the case with everyone else who was having problems at this location. _______________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tedr at rattei.org Mon Dec 8 07:30:09 2003 From: tedr at rattei.org (Ted Rattei) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Dunn Bros. on third In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Dec 7, 2003, at 2:59 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > Where are we now? > > So.. does your report say that: > 1) Dunn 3rd St that uses PC Speed WISP is unchanged and probably still > has a show > stopping problems with some 802.11g client products (eg, Apple & > Linksys), > but has no known problem with 802.11b client products. I was unaware that they used a different WISP than the other Dunn Bros locations. I suppose I should drive by there this morning and test it. > 2) The Dunn site on Como that use SurfThing WISP also has show > stopping problems with > Apple 802.11g client products and maybe other g's. It had a show stopping problem last week when I tested. Not sure right now as I haven't been back. The issues as far as I could tell were not related to the wireless access point. I could obtain an IP address, ping other hosts on the local subnet, and do pretty much anything else that one would expect me to do if I was connected to a network. > 3) Apple's 802.11g products work in 802.11b mode at one or more > SurtfThing 802.11b > sites. Yes, my machine stepped down to the lower speed and worked just fine at another location. I don't know if that site is using a totally different revision of WAP and router compared with other sites. > 4) Most 802.11b WISP sites work fine with 802.11b client products. Most 802.11b sites work just fine with 802.11b and 802.11g clients, period. From my troubleshooting, the problems was not caused by the access point, but by a network router that acted as a gateway between the internet connection and the local network. > 5) You have no clarification for Toni Decker's recent Apple > observation at 3rd St... ie, > this success report is new but not known to be a server vs client end > change, and not > known to be the elusive g-to-g or b connection via Apple g-capable > client. Seeing as they use a totally different company for their WISP than who I assisted last week, it's hard to say what could of been the problem. If the issue was a problem with an 802.11g client connecting to their network, the symptoms would probably be an inability to join the network, or an inability to pass any traffic once assiciated with the network. > I think those are the inclusive summary statements. Status seems to > be that the > problems with g client hardware continue unchanged at sites tested so > far, and no site > (except maybe Spyhouse - below) has 802.11b client problems. The issues with a newer 802.11g using an older 802.11b network in my experience have been very limited. It happens that a certain subset - but not all - wireless sites in the twin cities are having issues, but that is most likely because they have the same faulty firmware revision loaded on a bunch of the same model router. Which is indicative of a software problem, not a massive inability of 802.11g clients to work with a .b network. I'll continue investigating, as time allows. -- Ted Rattei tedr@rattei.org 612-201-2393 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Mon Dec 8 10:12:36 2003 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] TCWUG: next meeting tomorrow! Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Dec 8 12:49:03 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Spyhouse anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Has anybody else noticed the really odd setup at Spyhouse Coffee that I mentioned yesterday? Lots of Apples there. Maybe that is an Apple-preferred site and the oddness is a PC setup difference. The PC regular there who assisted me guessed that might be part of the story. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Cole > > > FWIW, I tried Spyhouse Coffee at 24th & Nicollet yesterday and found it strange and > anomalous for 802.11b service. Their free service is WEP protected, and one must get > the connection info from a card posted over the straw dispenser by napkins, etc. A > regular there told me that the setup is a nuisance and it has frequent dropouts for no > apparent reason. The posted card says: > > password = spyhouse > code = 7BAB647AC753EEBF6F080DEEC2 > > I think they mean SSID = Spyhouse, and Key = ... (best to copy and paste > this long key > above since entry is blind and must be 100% correct). > > I experienced strangeness in connecting as well as unexplaind dropouts with > very strong > and seemingly constant signal level. This site seems to have many users, so the > dropouts may be due to some "active headcount" issues. > > Does anyone here go there often enough to know what's going on? The regular customer > that helped me believes the setup is naive and stumbling about. Perhaps the > "site guru" > at Spyhouse needs some TCWUG help. I'd like to see what somebody else thinks > about the > Spyhouse setup. > > Chuck _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Dec 8 12:47:15 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Dunn Bros. on third In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks for all the clarifications! I think there are only 2 WISPs used at Dunn sites now, but about half a dozen WISPs at various other free sites about town. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: Ted Rattei [mailto:tedr@rattei.org] > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 7:30 AM > To: cncole@earthlink.net; Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > Cc: Ted Rattei > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Dunn Bros. on third > > > > On Dec 7, 2003, at 2:59 PM, Chuck Cole wrote: > > > Where are we now? > > > > So.. does your report say that: > > 1) Dunn 3rd St that uses PC Speed WISP is unchanged and probably still > > has a show > > stopping problems with some 802.11g client products (eg, Apple & > > Linksys), > > but has no known problem with 802.11b client products. > > I was unaware that they used a different WISP than the other Dunn Bros > locations. I suppose I should drive by there this morning and test it. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Mon Dec 8 16:38:17 2003 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Spyhouse anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I go there fairly regularly and don't have a problem, though you do need to get the password from the person behind the counter. I've used both 802.11b and g cards there, both on Mac's. -- Ben Nelson 612.685.9116 cell benmgroup@earthlink.net > From: "Chuck Cole" > Reply-To: cncole@earthlink.net, Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > > Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:49:03 -0600 > To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" > Subject: RE: [TCWUG] Spyhouse anyone? > > > Has anybody else noticed the really odd setup at Spyhouse Coffee that I > mentioned > yesterday? Lots of Apples there. Maybe that is an Apple-preferred site and > the oddness > is a PC setup difference. The PC regular there who assisted me guessed that > might be > part of the story. > > Chuck > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org >> [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Cole >> >> >> FWIW, I tried Spyhouse Coffee at 24th & Nicollet yesterday and found it >> strange and >> anomalous for 802.11b service. Their free service is WEP protected, and one >> must get >> the connection info from a card posted over the straw dispenser by napkins, >> etc. A >> regular there told me that the setup is a nuisance and it has frequent >> dropouts for no >> apparent reason. The posted card says: >> >> password = spyhouse >> code = 7BAB647AC753EEBF6F080DEEC2 >> >> I think they mean SSID = Spyhouse, and Key = ... (best to copy and paste >> this long key >> above since entry is blind and must be 100% correct). >> >> I experienced strangeness in connecting as well as unexplaind dropouts with >> very strong >> and seemingly constant signal level. This site seems to have many users, so >> the >> dropouts may be due to some "active headcount" issues. >> >> Does anyone here go there often enough to know what's going on? The regular >> customer >> that helped me believes the setup is naive and stumbling about. Perhaps the >> "site guru" >> at Spyhouse needs some TCWUG help. I'd like to see what somebody else thinks >> about the >> Spyhouse setup. >> >> Chuck > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 19:21:26 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] TechTV feature on major free WiFi project/coverage in San Francisco In-Reply-To: Message-ID: FYI - There's a feature running on TechTV on WiFi in the San Francisco area. I only caught part of it, but it seems to be good and has info on their site. Chuck _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Tue Dec 9 20:09:15 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Spyhouse anyone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That lingo differs from the standard SSID and encryption key terms and may be wrapped in an Apple wizard that makes it run smoothly. There's no password entry on my PC setup (Win XP still) but SSID is spyhouse. I found their setup arcane and operation there was erratic with two unexplained complete dropouts that took a repeat of the setup fiddling as if I'd never done it before. Tried it with PCs? I'd like to compare setup screens sometime to see whether I'm missing something obvious or whether there's some Mac scripting at work. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Ben Nelson > Sent: Monday, December 08, 2003 4:38 PM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Spyhouse anyone? > > > I go there fairly regularly and don't have a problem, though you do need to > get the password from the person behind the counter. I've used both 802.11b > and g cards there, both on Mac's. > -- > Ben Nelson > 612.685.9116 cell > benmgroup@earthlink.net > > > > From: "Chuck Cole" > > Reply-To: cncole@earthlink.net, Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > > > > Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2003 12:49:03 -0600 > > To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" > > Subject: RE: [TCWUG] Spyhouse anyone? > > > > > > Has anybody else noticed the really odd setup at Spyhouse Coffee that I > > mentioned > > yesterday? Lots of Apples there. Maybe that is an Apple-preferred site and > > the oddness > > is a PC setup difference. The PC regular there who assisted me guessed that > > might be > > part of the story. > > > > Chuck > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > >> [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Chuck Cole > >> > >> > >> FWIW, I tried Spyhouse Coffee at 24th & Nicollet yesterday and found it > >> strange and > >> anomalous for 802.11b service. Their free service is WEP protected, and one > >> must get > >> the connection info from a card posted over the straw dispenser by napkins, > >> etc. A > >> regular there told me that the setup is a nuisance and it has frequent > >> dropouts for no > >> apparent reason. The posted card says: > >> > >> password = spyhouse > >> code = 7BAB647AC753EEBF6F080DEEC2 > >> > >> I think they mean SSID = Spyhouse, and Key = ... (best to copy and paste > >> this long key > >> above since entry is blind and must be 100% correct). > >> > >> I experienced strangeness in connecting as well as unexplaind dropouts with > >> very strong > >> and seemingly constant signal level. This site seems to have many users, so > >> the > >> dropouts may be due to some "active headcount" issues. > >> > >> Does anyone here go there often enough to know what's going on? The regular > >> customer > >> that helped me believes the setup is naive and stumbling about. Perhaps the > >> "site guru" > >> at Spyhouse needs some TCWUG help. I'd like to see what somebody else thinks > >> about the > >> Spyhouse setup. > >> > >> Chuck _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Wed Dec 10 12:34:37 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:11 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Spyhouse anyone? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031210183437.GI31058@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From list at slushpupie.com Thu Dec 11 12:08:37 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Walmart WiFi Cards Message-ID: <20031211180837.GA15993@slushpupie.com> Walmart has started selling 802.11b cards for cheap ( < $40), does anyone know how well they work with Linux? The cheap brand name is Blitzz, but they also have Linksys stuff, as well as some antennas. Is this stuff any good? Jay -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From plmnwater at yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 12:22:56 2003 From: plmnwater at yahoo.com (Dave W.) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Walmart WiFi Cards In-Reply-To: <20031211180837.GA15993@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20031211182256.68059.qmail@web9604.mail.yahoo.com> I bought one of those Blitzz cards when I needed one in a pinch, and it worked fine for me in XP while I needed it. I didn't try it in Mandrake though. If I can locate it, I'll check it out. -Dave --- Jay Kline wrote: > Walmart has started selling 802.11b cards for cheap ( < $40), does > anyone > know how well they work with Linux? The cheap brand name is Blitzz, > but > they also have Linksys stuff, as well as some antennas. Is this stuff > any good? > > Jay > > -- > Jay Kline > http://www.slushpupie.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Dec 11 12:27:21 2003 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Walmart WiFi Cards In-Reply-To: <20031211180837.GA15993@slushpupie.com> References: <20031211180837.GA15993@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20031211182719.GR29244@ringworld.org> Its probally ADMTek based. * Jay Kline [031211 12:13]: > Walmart has started selling 802.11b cards for cheap ( < $40), does anyone > know how well they work with Linux? The cheap brand name is Blitzz, but > they also have Linksys stuff, as well as some antennas. Is this stuff > any good? > > Jay > > -- > Jay Kline > http://www.slushpupie.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ Free USA from energy dependence, http://www.apolloalliance.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Dec 11 13:25:34 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Walmart WiFi Cards In-Reply-To: <20031211180837.GA15993@slushpupie.com> References: <20031211180837.GA15993@slushpupie.com> Message-ID: <20031211192534.GX2167@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 12:08:37PM -0600, Jay Kline wrote: > Walmart has started selling 802.11b cards for cheap ( < $40), does anyone > know how well they work with Linux? The cheap brand name is Blitzz, but > they also have Linksys stuff, as well as some antennas. Is this stuff > any good? The Blitzz stuff is ubicom based with a prism2 card in it, they have MMCX antenna connectors and 35mW output power. It's all compatible with linux, and the AP's are good if you need a pcmcia card in a pinch (with ext. antenna connectors) > Jay -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Thu Dec 11 13:36:46 2003 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Walmart WiFi Cards In-Reply-To: <20031211192534.GX2167@techmonkeys.org> References: <20031211180837.GA15993@slushpupie.com> <20031211192534.GX2167@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20031211193644.GS29244@ringworld.org> Nice, the list i saw said ADMtek, but yeah, if its prism2 rock! * Matthew S. Hallacy [031211 13:33]: > The Blitzz stuff is ubicom based with a prism2 card in it, they have MMCX > antenna connectors and 35mW output power. > > It's all compatible with linux, and the AP's are good if you need a pcmcia > card in a pinch (with ext. antenna connectors) > > > Jay > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ Free USA from energy dependence, http://www.apolloalliance.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Thu Dec 11 13:34:26 2003 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Dunn Bros. on third In-Reply-To: Message-ID: FYI: I'm currently sitting at the Dunn Bros on third, using my powerbook with an apple airport extreme card, and I can access the internet on their network. Is it a fair assumption that others using g-cards can now use the network at this location? Also, anyone nearby the University location to test it? I believe both locations use the same provider (pcspeed) -- Ben Nelson 612.685.9116 cell benmgroup@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From plmnwater at yahoo.com Thu Dec 11 14:11:25 2003 From: plmnwater at yahoo.com (Dave W.) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Walmart WiFi Cards In-Reply-To: <20031211193644.GS29244@ringworld.org> Message-ID: <20031211201125.77648.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> The Blitzz pcmcia card I got did not have an external antenna connector, so be sure you look before you buy. -Dave --- Scott Dier wrote: > Nice, the list i saw said ADMtek, but yeah, if its prism2 rock! > > * Matthew S. Hallacy [031211 13:33]: > > The Blitzz stuff is ubicom based with a prism2 card in it, they > have MMCX > > antenna connectors and 35mW output power. > > > > It's all compatible with linux, and the AP's are good if you need a > pcmcia > > card in a pinch (with ext. antenna connectors) > > > > > Jay > > > > -- > > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH > Certified > > http://www.poptix.net GPG public key > 0x01938203 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, Minnesota > > http://www.tcwug.org > > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > > -- > Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ > Free USA from energy dependence, http://www.apolloalliance.org/ > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From jdhaugen at hotmail.com Thu Dec 11 14:31:41 2003 From: jdhaugen at hotmail.com (Jay Haugen) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mobile Wi-Fi Message-ID: I'm looking of a way to use my TiBook and Airport Card at a couple places that have cable internet service but no wireless router. Is there a product that works through the cable modems usb port that would put out a signal? Or equivalent? I thought about getting a cheap wireless router to carry with me but thought that the setup would be a hassle. Anyone have any ideas? JDH _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone ‘switch’ rules are taking effect — find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Thu Dec 11 14:58:01 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Walmart WiFi Cards In-Reply-To: <20031211201125.77648.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20031211193644.GS29244@ringworld.org> <20031211201125.77648.qmail@web9603.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20031211205801.GY2167@techmonkeys.org> On Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 12:11:25PM -0800, Dave W. wrote: > The Blitzz pcmcia card I got did not have an external antenna > connector, so be sure you look before you buy. > > -Dave The pcmcia cards do not, the AP's which have a pcmcia card inside do. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mellsworth at stratvantage.com Thu Dec 11 15:57:57 2003 From: mellsworth at stratvantage.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mobile Wi-Fi In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002e01c3c031$d6724790$6601a8c0@stratlap2> How about a wireless bridge? You could plug into the USB or an Ethernet port, depending. Mike Ellsworth StratVantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.StratVantage.com Get a free one-hour wireless network evaluation. Forward this message to freebie@theWiMAXGuys.com www.TheWiMAXGuys.com ? ? They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. ? Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of Jay Haugen Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2003 2:32 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] Mobile Wi-Fi I'm looking of a way to use my TiBook and Airport Card at a couple places that have cable internet service but no wireless router. Is there a product that works through the cable modems usb port that would put out a signal? Or equivalent? I thought about getting a cheap wireless router to carry with me but thought that the setup would be a hassle. Anyone have any ideas? JDH _________________________________________________________________ Cell phone ?switch? rules are taking effect ? find out more here. http://special.msn.com/msnbc/consumeradvocate.armx _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Thu Dec 11 16:29:20 2003 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mobile Wi-Fi In-Reply-To: ; from jdhaugen@hotmail.com on Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 08:31:41PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20031211162920.H12631@florence.linkmargin.com> Jay Haugen wrote: > I'm looking of a way to use my TiBook and Airport Card at a couple places > that have cable internet service but no wireless router. Is there a product > that works through the cable modems usb port that would put out a signal? > Or equivalent? I thought about getting a cheap wireless router to carry > with me but thought that the setup would be a hassle. Anyone have any > ideas? APC package an Access Point for road-warrier use. I don't think there's anything novel about the product apart from the marketing strategy: http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm?base_sku=WMR1000B&language=en&LOCAL.APCCountryCode=US -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Thu Dec 11 20:58:53 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mobile Wi-Fi In-Reply-To: <20031211162920.H12631@florence.linkmargin.com> References: <20031211162920.H12631@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <1E6258B4-2C4F-11D8-A607-000A95857E06@botwerks.org> this is for road warriors? i consider myself to be a very experienced traveller and i would never pack one of these? ;-) Physical Net weight 0.34?lbs (0.15?kg) Net Height 13.3? inches (33.7?cm) Net Width 11.6? inches (29.4?cm) Net Depth 2.70? inches (6.86?cm) Shipping Weight 0.95?lbs? (0.43?kg) Shipping Height 21.5? inches (54.6?cm) Shipping Width 20.3?ft (6.19?m) <--- i find this a bit disturbing :-) Shipping Depth 7.50? inches (19.0?cm) Connector A RJ45(Cat 6 Straight Through) On Dec 11, 2003, at 4:29 PM, Andy Warner wrote: > Jay Haugen wrote: >> I'm looking of a way to use my TiBook and Airport Card at a couple >> places >> that have cable internet service but no wireless router. Is there a >> product >> that works through the cable modems usb port that would put out a >> signal? >> Or equivalent? I thought about getting a cheap wireless router to >> carry >> with me but thought that the setup would be a hassle. Anyone have any >> ideas? > > APC package an Access Point for road-warrier use. I don't think > there's anything novel about the product apart from the > marketing strategy: > > http://www.apcc.com/resource/include/techspec_index.cfm? > base_sku=WMR1000B&language=en&LOCAL.APCCountryCode=US > -- > andyw@pobox.com > > Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Thu Dec 11 21:16:11 2003 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:12 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mobile Wi-Fi In-Reply-To: <1E6258B4-2C4F-11D8-A607-000A95857E06@botwerks.org>; from sulrich@botwerks.org on Thu, Dec 11, 2003 at 08:58:53PM -0600 References: <20031211162920.H12631@florence.linkmargin.com> <1E6258B4-2C4F-11D8-A607-000A95857E06@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20031211211611.O12631@florence.linkmargin.com> steve ulrich wrote: > this is for road warriors? i consider myself to be a very experienced > traveller and i would never pack one of these? ;-) I think they must be targetting the sales/market-droid road warrior. > [...] > Shipping Width > 20.3?ft (6.19?m) <--- i find this a bit disturbing :-) I guess that rules out carry on luggage, huh ? :) -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mellsworth at stratvantage.com Thu Dec 11 23:23:04 2003 From: mellsworth at stratvantage.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cerritos, CA to unwire the whole town Message-ID: <008101c3c070$054eb420$6601a8c0@stratlap2> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From blackie at hmonghlub.com Fri Dec 12 08:49:45 2003 From: blackie at hmonghlub.com (blackie@hmonghlub.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] wireless isp Message-ID: <1071240585.3fd9d589d37d0@webmail.namezero.com> Hello all, Just find out about tcwug last week, I am current on comcast isp, but I want to move on to wireless isp and able to keep my LAN at home and use my laptop on the road thank you, Blackie _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tedr at rattei.org Fri Dec 12 10:31:13 2003 From: tedr at rattei.org (Ted Rattei) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mobile Wi-Fi In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9A218254-2CC0-11D8-803D-000A95A53942@rattei.org> On Dec 11, 2003, at 2:31 PM, Jay Haugen wrote: > I'm looking of a way to use my TiBook and Airport Card at a couple > places that have cable internet service but no wireless router. Is > there a product that works through the cable modems usb port that > would put out a signal? Or equivalent? I thought about getting a > cheap wireless router to carry with me but thought that the setup > would be a hassle. Anyone have any ideas? I'd suggest getting a cheep wireless router to carry with you. Setup doesn't have to be a hassle - most of the time, the base station is getting the IP address via DHCP, so you can keep that config loaded on the base station. With the Apple AirPort base station, their admin software lets you save a config as a file on your machine, so switching between configs is as easy as loading a file in for the config, and rebooting the base station. The product isn't too big, and you can get a retractable ethernet cord so it can plug into any network. The base station automatically detects if you're needing to have a regular or crossover connection to the network (Auto-MDI/MDIX I believe). There are other base stations cheeper of course, but the space, ease of use, and functionality sometimes are not always there. cheers! -- Ted Rattei tedr@rattei.org 612-201-2393 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From jdhaugen at hotmail.com Fri Dec 12 10:52:48 2003 From: jdhaugen at hotmail.com (Jay Haugen) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mobile Wi-Fi Message-ID: thanks for all the info! >From: Ted Rattei >Reply-To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List >To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List >CC: Ted Rattei >Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Mobile Wi-Fi >Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2003 10:31:13 -0600 > > >On Dec 11, 2003, at 2:31 PM, Jay Haugen wrote: > >>I'm looking of a way to use my TiBook and Airport Card at a couple places >>that have cable internet service but no wireless router. Is there a >>product that works through the cable modems usb port that would put out a >>signal? Or equivalent? I thought about getting a cheap wireless router >>to carry with me but thought that the setup would be a hassle. Anyone >>have any ideas? > >I'd suggest getting a cheep wireless router to carry with you. Setup >doesn't have to be a hassle - most of the time, the base station is getting >the IP address via DHCP, so you can keep that config loaded on the base >station. With the Apple AirPort base station, their admin software lets >you save a config as a file on your machine, so switching between configs >is as easy as loading a file in for the config, and rebooting the base >station. The product isn't too big, and you can get a retractable ethernet >cord so it can plug into any network. The base station automatically >detects if you're needing to have a regular or crossover connection to the >network (Auto-MDI/MDIX I believe). > >There are other base stations cheeper of course, but the space, ease of >use, and functionality sometimes are not always there. > >cheers! > >-- >Ted Rattei >tedr@rattei.org >612-201-2393 > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _________________________________________________________________ Take advantage of our best MSN Dial-up offer of the year — six months @$9.95/month. Sign up now! http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From scheides at iexposure.com Tue Dec 16 18:35:15 2003 From: scheides at iexposure.com (Chris Scheidecker) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Connectivity Distance Message-ID: <200312161835.15672.scheides@iexposure.com> How far will a 14dbi directional antenna reach? We're trying to get users at location B to connect to a base station at location A reliably. Location A is one block from location B. The access point (and the antenna) would be located in a window on the third floor of location or on the roof (still just over the third floor) of location A. Tough part is, location B is on the back side of a 3 - 4 story building. Assuming the walls of the building are not made of lead, what are the chances of a reliable connection? Is 14dbi overkill? Underkill? -Chris -- Chris Scheidecker Associate Systems Administrator cscheidecker@iexposure.com Internet Exposure, Inc. http://www.iexposure.com 612.676.1946 x33 Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services ------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Tue Dec 16 19:21:44 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Connectivity Distance In-Reply-To: <200312161835.15672.scheides@iexposure.com> References: <200312161835.15672.scheides@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <601842D8-302F-11D8-8667-000A958B32EC@visi.com> I would advise you placing the antenna inside the building behind the window. Not only may the RF wave suffer distortion, but more importantly, RF energy can be radiated back into the room. Remember: your AP operates at microwave frequencies. You must keep your exposure to microwaves to a minimum. To be certain that you will have adequate throughput, you must have adequate signal strength at both sites. At 2400 Mhz (802.11b), line of sight is ideal and path loss would be your only obstacle. Buildings are opaque at microwave frequencies. Neal On Dec 16, 2003, at 6:35 PM, Chris Scheidecker wrote: > How far will a 14dbi directional antenna reach? > > We're trying to get users at location B to connect to a base station at > location A reliably. Location A is one block from location B. The > access > point (and the antenna) would be located in a window on the third > floor of > location or on the roof (still just over the third floor) of location > A. > Tough part is, location B is on the back side of a 3 - 4 story > building. > > Assuming the walls of the building are not made of lead, what are the > chances > of a reliable connection? > > Is 14dbi overkill? Underkill? > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From earl at jarosh.org Tue Dec 16 22:13:02 2003 From: earl at jarosh.org (S. Earl Jarosh) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Connectivity Distance References: <200312161835.15672.scheides@iexposure.com> Message-ID: <011901c3c454$1211a8b0$a40e000a@D32B5L01> Chris, Attenuation of RF signal at 2.4 GHz through buildings is huge! Not to mention the flea power on WiFi. You probably won't get through the building but you can always try. Not everything follows the expected rules in RF. That being said, think of an antenna no different than that of a optical lens on a light. It focuses the energy. To get a lot of gain you give up something. On a high gain vertical omnidirectional antenna the energy is forced into a doughnut shape sending the signal on a straight plane towards the horizon. Very little energy goes below or above the antenna. This is why people directly under a high gain antenna have a harder time connecting or staying connected. There is no RF saturation. People further away do better. On a directional antenna the energy is focused like a flashlight or headlight. The higher the gain, the more focused the RF energy becomes. This would be like focusing a flashlight to almost a laser beam. This is called beamwidth in an antenna and is measured in degrees. The higher the gain the smaller the beamwidth in degrees. Enough of the RF and Antenna lesson. This beamwidth can work in your favor. If you can find a dependable hard surface to point your antenna at and bounce off the surface from B to A (like a laser beam on a mirror) you may solve your problem. You may still experience multipath distortions. Sometimes you just experiment and it works, then you figure out why and document it for future use. Then you write a paper and get a Nobel prize! What is your minimum speed? Yes, I said speed not bandwidth. Are there no other options? VPN? Point to point T1 or nonloaded DSL (or just the cheapest way to get one pair of dead copper from point A to point B) and an in-house DSL extender? Fiber to the roof or around to the other side of the building and then an integrated WiFi enterprise panel antenna pointing in the correct direction? Just some thoughts. Good Luck, S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ Cell: 612-868-1313 Off: 763-545-3275 Fax: 763-546-0027 Money Centers of America V.P. of Information Technology earl@jarosh.org earljarosh@moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Scheidecker" To: Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: [TCWUG] Connectivity Distance > How far will a 14dbi directional antenna reach? > > We're trying to get users at location B to connect to a base station at > location A reliably. Location A is one block from location B. The access > point (and the antenna) would be located in a window on the third floor of > location or on the roof (still just over the third floor) of location A. > Tough part is, location B is on the back side of a 3 - 4 story building. > > Assuming the walls of the building are not made of lead, what are the chances > of a reliable connection? > > Is 14dbi overkill? Underkill? > > -Chris > > -- > Chris Scheidecker > Associate Systems Administrator > cscheidecker@iexposure.com > Internet Exposure, Inc. > http://www.iexposure.com > > 612.676.1946 x33 > Web Development-Web Marketing-ISP Services > ------------------------------------------ > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From earl at jarosh.org Tue Dec 16 23:55:31 2003 From: earl at jarosh.org (S. Earl Jarosh) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Connectivity Distance References: <200312161835.15672.scheides@iexposure.com> <601842D8-302F-11D8-8667-000A958B32EC@visi.com> Message-ID: <016c01c3c462$629f6c00$a40e000a@D32B5L01> Neal, Sorry, I just can't let this one go. You are correct and to err on the side of caution is a good thing but let's put this in perspective. Considering that most of these stock devices are no more than +17 dbm (50 milliwatts) and that there will probably be 3-4 db or more of loss in the coax from the WiFi bridge to the antenna which brings the system down to 10db or less of gain (about 10x or 500mw/.5 watt) at the antenna and even if the someone is right against the antenna it is still putting out 100mw less than that cell phone everyone holds against their head which runs in the 1.9GHz band. The time domain microwave heating effects of 1.9 and 2.4 GHz on flesh are effectively indistinguishable. Phones are held against most heads for very long periods of time. Now I will go back and lurk for another year. S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ Cell: 612-868-1313 Off: 763-545-3275 Fax: 763-546-0027 Money Centers of America V.P. of Information Technology earl@jarosh.org earljarosh@moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neal Krasnoff" To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" Sent: Tuesday, December 16, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Connectivity Distance > I would advise you placing the antenna inside the building > behind the window. Not only may the RF wave suffer distortion, but more > importantly, RF energy can be radiated back into the room. Remember: > your AP operates at microwave frequencies. You must keep your exposure > to microwaves to a minimum. > > To be certain that you will have adequate throughput, you must have > adequate signal strength at both sites. At 2400 Mhz (802.11b), line of > sight is ideal and path loss would be your only obstacle. Buildings are > opaque at microwave frequencies. > > Neal _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Wed Dec 17 00:23:37 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Connectivity Distance In-Reply-To: <016c01c3c462$629f6c00$a40e000a@D32B5L01> References: <200312161835.15672.scheides@iexposure.com> <601842D8-302F-11D8-8667-000A958B32EC@visi.com> <016c01c3c462$629f6c00$a40e000a@D32B5L01> Message-ID: <8CACCE88-3059-11D8-8667-000A958B32EC@visi.com> On Dec 16, 2003, at 11:55 PM, S. Earl Jarosh wrote: > Neal, > > Sorry, I just can't let this one go. You are correct and to err on > the > side of caution is a good thing but let's put this in perspective. > Is that long term or short term perspective? :-) Neal Krasnoff nkras@visi.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Wed Dec 17 01:40:57 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Connectivity Distance In-Reply-To: <8CACCE88-3059-11D8-8667-000A958B32EC@visi.com> Message-ID: Neal, we're around more and stronger sources than WiFi all the time. To worry about WiFi seems like singling out a single acorn among thousands under an oak tree and blaming it for potentially causing a sprout in your lawn. :-) Microwave ovens in restaurants are in the same frequency band (S-band) and the lower-powered home ovens are typically 1000watts, so are likely to leak much more than any WiFi transmitter has.. better avoid restaurants, airports, and fast food places! :-) Airport radars sweep about and probably have side lobes that cover our neighborhoods with way more than 100mw levels. Cops' speed guns are actually beamed at you and are likely to exceed the radiation density a typical omni WiFi antenna has. Medical offices and hospitals also use S-band but I'm not sure what is common in that band now. Finding a reliable field strength meter for those frequencies would be hard (ie, expensive and temperamental), but it might be interesting to observe background levels and spectra in some common public areas. Some OSHA or FCC site may have such data. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Neal Krasnoff > Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 12:24 AM > To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Connectivity Distance > > > > On Dec 16, 2003, at 11:55 PM, S. Earl Jarosh wrote: > > > Neal, > > > > Sorry, I just can't let this one go. You are correct and to err on > > the > > side of caution is a good thing but let's put this in perspective. > > > > Is that long term or short term perspective? :-) > > Neal Krasnoff > nkras@visi.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Wed Dec 17 03:39:25 2003 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Connectivity Distance In-Reply-To: <016c01c3c462$629f6c00$a40e000a@D32B5L01> References: <200312161835.15672.scheides@iexposure.com> <601842D8-302F-11D8-8667-000A958B32EC@visi.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20031217033925.01a0d018@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> >Considering that most of these stock devices are no more than +17 dbm (50 >milliwatts) and that there will probably be 3-4 db or more of loss in the >coax from the WiFi bridge to the antenna which brings the system down to >10db or less of gain (about 10x or 500mw/.5 watt) at the antenna and even if >the someone is right against the antenna it is still putting out 100mw less >than that cell phone everyone holds against their head which runs in the >1.9GHz band. The time domain microwave heating effects of 1.9 and 2.4 GHz >on flesh are effectively indistinguishable. Phones are held against most >heads for very long periods of time. Or even regular cordless phones on 900 or 2.4ghz bands. However I don't think I'd want a 24dbi dish aimed at myself for extended periods of time, just in case there is something to the EMF field risks. Makes me wonder what field strengths near high-tension power lines are, or in homes near to them. Some people claim even a clock near your bed is dangerous to your health due to it's EMF emissions and the time that you spend near it. A big deal used to be made of monitor/CRT EMF emissions such that several standards were created in Sweden regarding these emissions. Generally, though, I don't think I'm worried about standard wifi APs with their built in antennas. With higher gain antennas, the considerations become more serious. Where you want to draw the safety line is matter of personal preference (like bungee jumpers vs. couch potatoes). "If you're reading this, read it again." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From bex at xaotec.com Fri Dec 19 17:05:27 2003 From: bex at xaotec.com (Brian Huff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] microwave health effects In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20031219230527.GA1990@xaotec.com> http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/radiofrequencyradiation/ OSHA admits that most of their standards apply to only the 'heating' effects of radiation in the radiofrequency (3kHZ-300MHz) and microwave (300MHz-300GHz) ranges. Its fairly obvious that microwaves heat things, and they have exposure rules to prevent burning... but it appears that the jury is still out on the non-thermal effects of radiation... ie, cancer. The good news is that few studies that show ill effects can be reproduced in a lab. -- Brian 'Bex' Huff bex@xaotec.com http://www.xaotec.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Fri Dec 19 17:49:16 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] microwave health effects In-Reply-To: <20031219230527.GA1990@xaotec.com> References: <20031219230527.GA1990@xaotec.com> Message-ID: <3FE38E7C.6030709@visi.com> Brian Huff wrote: >http://www.osha.gov/SLTC/radiofrequencyradiation/ > >OSHA admits that most of their standards apply to only the 'heating' >effects of radiation in the radiofrequency (3kHZ-300MHz) and microwave >(300MHz-300GHz) ranges. Its fairly obvious that microwaves heat things, >and they have exposure rules to prevent burning... > > The operative word here is heating - that is to say - cooking. :-s >but it appears that the jury is still out on the non-thermal effects >of radiation... ie, cancer. > Or the effects to the central nervous system and brain tissue. I don't see why anyone should take unnecessary chances and not limit their exposure as much as possible. Neal _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Dec 19 19:03:06 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] microwave health effects In-Reply-To: <20031219230527.GA1990@xaotec.com> References: <20031219230527.GA1990@xaotec.com> Message-ID: <20031220010306.GJ6711@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 05:05:27PM -0600, Brian Huff wrote: > > but it appears that the jury is still out on the non-thermal effects > of radiation... ie, cancer. The good news is that few studies that > show ill effects can be reproduced in a lab. Studies have shown that tests cause cancer in lab rats. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From earl at jarosh.org Sun Dec 21 00:03:10 2003 From: earl at jarosh.org (S. Earl Jarosh) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] microwave health effects References: <20031219230527.GA1990@xaotec.com> <20031220010306.GJ6711@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <005201c3c788$1d6a20c0$6501a8c0@D32B5L01> Everything known to man causes cancer in rats in high enough dose!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Earl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matthew S. Hallacy" To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [TCWUG] microwave health effects > On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 05:05:27PM -0600, Brian Huff wrote: > > > > but it appears that the jury is still out on the non-thermal effects > > of radiation... ie, cancer. The good news is that few studies that > > show ill effects can be reproduced in a lab. > > Studies have shown that tests cause cancer in lab rats. > > -- > Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified > http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Sun Dec 21 02:43:27 2003 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:13 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] microwave health effects In-Reply-To: <20031220010306.GJ6711@techmonkeys.org> References: <20031219230527.GA1990@xaotec.com> <20031219230527.GA1990@xaotec.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20031221024327.018b2938@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> At 07:03 PM 12/19/2003 -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 05:05:27PM -0600, Brian Huff wrote: >> >> but it appears that the jury is still out on the non-thermal effects >> of radiation... ie, cancer. The good news is that few studies that >> show ill effects can be reproduced in a lab. > >Studies have shown that tests cause cancer in lab rats. 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Pogue, the renowned "New York Times" computer columnist, tackles his subject with scrupulous objectivity--revealing which new features work well and which do not. This is an authoritative book that will appeal to novices and experienced users alike. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/macxmmpanther/ ================================================ Upcoming Events ================================================ ***For more events, please see: http://events.oreilly.com/ ***Preston Gralla ("Windows XP Hacks"), Windows Technical Forum, Waltham, MA--January 5 Preston's will be covering Windows XP Hacks from his book and what we might expect with Windows XP SP2. 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We'll be exploring these issues during the Emergent Democracy Forum at February's Emerging Technology Conference. http://conferences.oreillynet.com/et2004/edemo.csp ***Early Bird Discount ends January 9 for the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference February 9-12, 2004 Westin Horton Plaza San Diego San Diego, CA 92101 http://conferences.oreilly.com/etech/ User Group members who register before January 9, 2004 get a double discount. Use code DSUG when you register, and receive 20% off the "Early Bird" price. To register for the conference, go to: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/28/register.html ================================================ News From O'Reilly & Beyond ================================================ --------------------- General News --------------------- ***Beyond Hacking the Xbox Bruce Stewart interviews Andrew "bunnie" Huang, a featured speaker at O'Reilly's upcoming Emerging Technology Conference. In this interview, bunnie discusses flaws with the DMCA, the current states of reverse engineering and Moore's Law, what he's hacking now, and what he'll be speaking about at ETech. http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2003/12/10/bunnie.html The 2004 O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference February 9-12, 2004 Westin Horton Plaza San Diego San Diego, CA 92101 http://conferences.oreilly.com/etech/ ***Gastronomy for Geeks Pizza, Twinkies, and Jolt are geek haute cuisine for a stereotypical few. Many of you know the difference between au jus and baba ghanoush, and that Thai shish kabob isn't called saute. So, you geek gourmets, come share your favorite recipes, and see what your peers are cooking. http://cookbooks.oreilly.com/food/ --------------------- Open Source --------------------- ***San Antonio Linux User Group mentioned December 17 in the "Wall Street Journal." "Linux is slowly spreading beyond its core constituencies of governments, companies and computer geeks. Today, for example, the San Antonio Linux User Group--started by a half-dozen "extreme experts" eight or nine years ago--counts some 600 members, including scores of home users, says Albert Lochli, the group's president. That includes lawyers, artists and dentists, and Mr. Lochli says he's even converted two people from his regular bridge group." ***Myths Open Source Developers Tell Ourselves Imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery, but is it effective or useful? Open source developers have the opportunity to learn from the successes and failures of other projects. Are we learning the right lessons, though? http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2003/12/11/myths.html ***A Day in the Life of #Apache Rich Bowen, coauthor of "Apache Cookbook," spends a lot of time on IRC fielding Apache questions. In this inaugural article to launch a new series based on his conversations on #apache, the IRC channel that runs on the irc.freenode.net network, Rich chronicles a user's troubles getting his .htaccess file working, and he shows what you can do to solve the problem. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/apache/2003/12/04/apacheckbk.html Apache Cookbook Order Number: 1916 http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/apacheckbk/index.html --------------------- Java --------------------- ***Understanding JAXB: Java Binding Customization JAXB, Java Architecture for XML Binding, is a specification (or standard) that automates the mapping between XML documents and Java objects and vice versa. One of the primary components of JAXB is the schema compiler. The schema compiler is the tool used to generate Java bindings from an XML schema document. If used in its default mode (for non-trivial applications), the compiler usually generates bindings that are awkward to work with. This article looks at various methods you can use to customize the generated bindings. http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/12/10/jaxb.html --------------------- Wireless --------------------- ***Sony Ericsson T610 Camera Phone Review Sony Ericsson calls the T610 camera phone an "image and entertainment" phone instead of a smartphone. It is based on the proprietary Sony Ericsson OS, and it can run applications written in Java. Todd Ogasawara shows you the ins and outs of this compact phone that includes camera and Bluetooth capabilities. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2003/12/11/sony_t610.html --------------------- .NET --------------------- ***Master and Content Pages in Whidbey Most web sites have a consistent look and feel, containing a company logo and perhaps a navigational menu. In ASP.NET 1.0, there was no a good way to handle this; luckily, Microsoft now has a solution. Wei-Meng Lee shows you the Master and Content Pages feature in ASP.NET 2.0. http://www.ondotnet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2003/12/15/masterpages.html --------------------- Mac --------------------- ***Elementary Computer Graphics: Drawing with Pixels If you have a promising young developer in the family, you might want to take advantage of the extra time together during the holidays to teach a little programming. Michael Norton wrote this tutorial for his fourth grade son, and offers it to Mac DevCenter readers and their children. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/12/16/begin_programming.html ***Panther Delights Here's a look at Panther from another point of view: not so much its high-flying features, but rather the subtle refinements that we've come to expect from Apple products. Here are ten things that won't make you buy Panther, but you'll appreciate them once you have it. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/12/09/panther_surprises.html Until next time-- Marsee -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Dec 22 11:56:29 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:14 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] microwave health effects In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20031221024327.018b2938@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> References: <20031219230527.GA1990@xaotec.com> <20031219230527.GA1990@xaotec.com> <3.0.5.32.20031221024327.018b2938@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20031222175629.GB20630@autonomous.tv> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From trammell+tcwug at el-swifto.com Mon Dec 22 12:38:34 2003 From: trammell+tcwug at el-swifto.com (John J. Trammell) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:14 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] microwave health effects In-Reply-To: <20031222175629.GB20630@autonomous.tv> References: <20031219230527.GA1990@xaotec.com> <20031219230527.GA1990@xaotec.com> <3.0.5.32.20031221024327.018b2938@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> <20031222175629.GB20630@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <20031222183834.GA6379@mail.el-swifto.com> On Mon, Dec 22, 2003 at 11:56:29AM -0600, Spencer Butler wrote: > On Sun, Dec 21, 2003 at 02:43:27AM -0600, Haudy Kazemi wrote: > >At 07:03 PM 12/19/2003 -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > >>On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 05:05:27PM -0600, Brian Huff wrote: > >>> > >>> but it appears that the jury is still out on the non-thermal effects > >>> of radiation... ie, cancer. The good news is that few studies that > >>> show ill effects can be reproduced in a lab. > >> > >>Studies have shown that tests cause cancer in lab rats. > > > >Indeed, the tests themselves are the causes of cancer! ;) > > > >"If you're reading this, read it again." > Why, this too causes cancer. > o/~ Everything gives you cancer. There's no cure, there's no answer. o/~ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tholt at tholt.com Tue Dec 23 11:30:57 2003 From: tholt at tholt.com (Tim Holtan) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:14 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless Setting In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c3c97a$893ee760$010c010a@easthome.tholt.com> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From bkrebs at mn.rr.com Tue Dec 23 13:21:16 2003 From: bkrebs at mn.rr.com (Brian Krebs) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:14 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless Setting References: Message-ID: <001c01c3c989$f02b7bf0$6701a8c0@entertainment> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From Andrew at AZimmer.com Tue Dec 23 13:33:45 2003 From: Andrew at AZimmer.com (Andrew J Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:15 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless Setting Message-ID: <5332020AE31E3143BC3CD6F4408C35B37B7B@cilantro.AZimmer.local> It is sounding like the router is configured correctly but our Windows box is not. Check the Network Card Advanced Configuration properties. * If the network card is set to support 22MB change it to support only 11MB or less * I am not sure the Dell WNIC uses the same chipset but the D-Link cards that I have worked with have a 4x mode that has caused problems with my Linksys WTRG54 router. I have noticed if the access point is using an Ad-hoc network, you need to tell the Windows Zero Configuration to allow the Ad-hoc connection. You can find this by right clicking on the wireless connection icon in the systray and clicking the View Wireless Networks. If you do not, Windows will appear to be connected to the network but it will not send any information to the network. If you are using the Windows Zero Configuration try disabling it and using the utilities that come with the wireless card. Generally you will have more information and are able to better customize your connection. Set the ssid to match the ssid on the Netgear router. If you are not using the Windows Zero Configuration, try enabling it just to see if it will get us setup correctly. Let us know if the card is sending and receiving packets. Are we pulling an IP address? Thanks, Andrew. ________________________________ From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org on behalf of Oscar.Bagasha Sent: Tue 12/23/2003 11:30 AM To: Lee, Blackie; relliott@subrad.com; relliott@medilinks.net; jbrown@saoic.org Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless Setting I am trying to setup a wireless connection between a Netgear MR814v2 wireless router and a dell laptop containg the Dell TrueMobile 2100 Mini PCI wireless card for a friend . He is running Windows XP Home on the laptop the came bundled on the dell laptop (don't ask me why... I would have FDISKed the Laptop the minute I got) but anyways, The router works fine when I connect to a computer using a cable. I can't get the wireless network to communicate. My laptop acknowledges that the network is there but will not connect to it. I've tried configuring it with and without WEP. This is what I have already done. * Disabled WEP on both units * Dude had MCAFee Firewall - disable that quick * Changed the SSID to ANY so it picks up on any available network * Upgraded the FIRMWARE from 4.11 to 5.00 (lastest) * Tried various frequencies Any Suggestions? Thanks, Oscar --------------------- Oscar Bagasha CSC Specialist - ARC 612-304-0729 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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