From benmgroup at earthlink.net Sun Jun 8 10:28:32 2003 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] TCWUG: next meeting! Message-ID: Next meeting: Tuesday, June 10th, 6:00 to 8:00 pm Dunn Bros 201 3rd Avenue Minneapolis, MN 55401 612-692-8530 (on the same block as the Milwaukee Road Depot hotel and skating rink) Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt Limited parking behind the building, plenty of on-street parking near-by. -- Ben Nelson -- Ben Nelson 612.685.9116 cell benmgroup@earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030608/ff74c71e/attachment.htm From spencer at autonomous.tv Mon Jun 9 14:23:34 2003 From: spencer at autonomous.tv (Spencer Butler) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: [wireless] TCWUG: next meeting! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030609192334.GG18553@autonomous.tv> Is anyone going to these meetings? What is being discussed at these meetings? The only thing I have in my tcwug mailbox for the past several months are these meeting notices. Is the TCWUG still a group? What is the status? On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 10:28:32AM -0500, Ben Nelson wrote: > > Next meeting: Tuesday, June 10th, 6:00 to 8:00 pm > Dunn Bros > 201 3rd Avenue > Minneapolis, MN 55401 > 612-692-8530 > (on the same block as the Milwaukee Road Depot hotel and skating rink) > Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt > Limited parking behind the building, plenty of on-street parking > near-by. > -- > Ben Nelson > -- > Ben Nelson > 612.685.9116 cell > benmgroup@earthlink.net -- Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030609/507c43ae/attachment.pgp From mgenelin at ieee.umn.edu Mon Jun 9 16:15:35 2003 From: mgenelin at ieee.umn.edu (mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: [wireless] TCWUG: next meeting! In-Reply-To: <20030609192334.GG18553@autonomous.tv> References: <20030609192334.GG18553@autonomous.tv> Message-ID: <54600.24.245.15.241.1055193335.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> Hey Spencer- I was just thinking the *same* thing. Let's go to the next meeting and find out, eh? Regards, ---Matthew Genelin--- > Is anyone going to these meetings? What is being discussed at these > meetings? The only thing I have in my tcwug mailbox for the past > several months are these meeting notices. > > Is the TCWUG still a group? > What is the status? > > > On Sun, Jun 08, 2003 at 10:28:32AM -0500, Ben Nelson wrote: >> >> Next meeting: Tuesday, June 10th, 6:00 to 8:00 pm >> Dunn Bros >> 201 3rd Avenue >> Minneapolis, MN 55401 >> 612-692-8530 >> (on the same block as the Milwaukee Road Depot hotel and skating rink) >> Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt >> Limited parking behind the building, plenty of on-street parking >> near-by. >> -- >> Ben Nelson >> -- >> Ben Nelson >> 612.685.9116 cell >> benmgroup@earthlink.net > > -- > Linux Administrator || Technology Specialist || Wifi Engineer > http://autonomous.tv/~spencer/resume/ || spencer@autonomous.tv > Key fingerprint = 173B 8760 E59F DBF8 6FD2 68F8 ABA2 AB08 49C7 4754 > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Mon Jun 9 18:50:59 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: [wireless] TCWUG: next meeting! In-Reply-To: <54600.24.245.15.241.1055193335.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> Message-ID: on 6/9/03 4:15 PM, mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu at mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu wrote: > Hey Spencer- > > I was just thinking the *same* thing. Let's go to the next meeting and > find out, eh? > > Regards, > ---Matthew Genelin--- > >> Is anyone going to these meetings? What is being discussed at these >> meetings? The only thing I have in my tcwug mailbox for the past >> several months are these meeting notices. >> >> Is the TCWUG still a group? >> What is the status? Propagation tests, purchasing of equipment, next the purchase of panel antennas. I have been delayed on finishing the engineering document. :( Things are moving along, however slowly. Neal _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From Andrew at AZimmer.com Wed Jun 11 11:50:16 2003 From: Andrew at AZimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: [wireless] TCWUG: next meeting! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000701c33039$88e58c40$3d01a8c0@azimmer.com> Last night we were talking about a scope to site AP's. Is there a model, in particular, we would like and where would the best deal be? I'll go pick it up today if it is less than $200. I just picked up a Garmin ETrex that I will bring tomorrow to the St. Paul Campus. Thanks, Andrew. -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of Neal Krasnoff Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:51 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Re: [wireless] TCWUG: next meeting! on 6/9/03 4:15 PM, mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu at mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu wrote: > Hey Spencer- > > I was just thinking the *same* thing. Let's go to the next meeting and > find out, eh? > > Regards, > ---Matthew Genelin--- > >> Is anyone going to these meetings? What is being discussed at these >> meetings? The only thing I have in my tcwug mailbox for the past >> several months are these meeting notices. >> >> Is the TCWUG still a group? >> What is the status? Propagation tests, purchasing of equipment, next the purchase of panel antennas. I have been delayed on finishing the engineering document. :( Things are moving along, however slowly. Neal _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mgenelin at ieee.umn.edu Wed Jun 11 13:32:59 2003 From: mgenelin at ieee.umn.edu (mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: [wireless] TCWUG: next meeting! Message-ID: <61794.24.245.15.241.1055356379.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> Hey TCWUG gang- Exciting stuff here. I wasn't aware that we had more then Jeff coming, as he was the only person's hand I saw go up. Hey Ben -- perhaps we should get a list of people who are going to be helping us with the racks tomorrow, and confirm they are coming ready to be nice and labouious. :) I know you said you didn't want a lot of people along, but I thought I'd offer at the meeting to see who was interested. Jeff seemed like the only one. It sounds like Andy here is interested too. Are there a hoard of others? (I want to gauge what level of heavy lifting I am going to be doing. I like being lazy, so help is always welcome!) Jeff-- are you still coming? Want to drop me a line at: 612.636.2472. Andy-- Want to come? Gimme a jingle at: 612.636.2472. Ben-- Perhaps we can arrange a place to meet on East Bank campus to pick up the racks before they are transported to St. Paul. (We need help unloading them from East Bank first!) TCWUG-- After the meeting, Ben told me that Thursday will be a day were we are focusing on working to get these two racks installed. We might have another trip to tour the roof scheduled later in the summer. So, if you're interested in only sightseeing the roof, your best bet is to see Ben's pictures he took on the last sightseeing trip he took up there some months ago at: http://www.nerp.net/ids/index.cgi?mode=album&album=/Ham%20Club/BioSci%20Survey I am not sure that we will see the roof at all Thursday, as I am along to only install the racks. Please, come dressed appropriately, as the racks are old, metal, disty and dirty. We are looking for people who like doing stuff, like helping. :) Regards, ---Matthew Genelin--- > Last night we were talking about a scope to site AP's. Is there a model, > in > particular, we would like and where would the best deal be? I'll go pick > it > up today if it is less than $200. > > I just picked up a Garmin ETrex that I will bring tomorrow to the St. Paul > Campus. > > Thanks, > Andrew. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of Neal Krasnoff > Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:51 PM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Re: [wireless] TCWUG: next meeting! > > on 6/9/03 4:15 PM, mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu at mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu wrote: > >> Hey Spencer- >> I was just thinking the *same* thing. Let's go to the next meeting and find out, eh? >> Regards, >> ---Matthew Genelin--- >>> Is anyone going to these meetings? What is being discussed at these meetings? The only thing I have in my tcwug mailbox for the past several months are these meeting notices. >>> Is the TCWUG still a group? >>> What is the status? > > Propagation tests, purchasing of equipment, next the purchase of panel antennas. I have been delayed on finishing the engineering document. :( > > Things are moving along, however slowly. > > Neal > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Wed Jun 11 18:27:12 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Word processing for engineering documents Message-ID: I need an application for the Mac (Classic preferred) that will enable me to type in mathematical symbols on engineering documents, i.e. square root, power, subscript, superscript, etc. I have Office 2001 (Classic), but if there is a word processing application that specifically addresses this requirement, please let me know. Thanks, guys. Neal _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Wed Jun 11 18:42:09 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Word processing for engineering documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030611234209.GA12284@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, Jun 11, 2003), Neal Krasnoff was madly tapping out: > I need an application for the Mac (Classic preferred) that will > enable me to type in mathematical symbols on engineering documents, > i.e. square root, power, subscript, superscript, etc. > > I have Office 2001 (Classic), but if there is a word processing > application that specifically addresses this requirement, please let > me know. word has a great equation editor. often it's an addon that isn't installed by default. then there's always emacs and TeX... ;-) -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Thu Jun 12 08:29:54 2003 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Word processing for engineering documents In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 of course, my suggestion is: simpletext and: http://www.esm.psu.edu/mac-tex/ LaTeX is the most powerfull mathmatical/engineering markup that exists. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Wed, 11 Jun 2003, Neal Krasnoff wrote: > I need an application for the Mac (Classic preferred) that will enable me to > type in mathematical symbols on engineering documents, i.e. square root, > power, subscript, superscript, etc. > > I have Office 2001 (Classic), but if there is a word processing application > that specifically addresses this requirement, please let me know. > > Thanks, guys. > > Neal > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+6IBVflzKmtpiQEMRAjqzAJ9sl0bR1JmZJo23pM8K3oJCGEgW8QCbBJ/G SyWIeV2ZZWuQwNajuGx5CLs= =Fc4o -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mgenelin at ieee.umn.edu Thu Jun 12 22:55:18 2003 From: mgenelin at ieee.umn.edu (mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: [wireless] TCWUG: next meeting! In-Reply-To: <61794.24.245.15.241.1055356379.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> References: <61794.24.245.15.241.1055356379.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> Message-ID: <1885.24.245.15.241.1055476518.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> Hey TCWUG gang- We had a great time! Ben, Andrew and I hauled two racks up to the penthouse of BioSci. If you are still interested, I'll be talking to Ben about a photo-gawkers tour sometime in the next several weeks. (Perhaps before the next meeting!) The best time(s) to go up are during the weekdays. So, for us unemployed people, good times! For a TCWUG meeting on the roof, not so good. We only get access during the business day. Exciting times! Thanks Andrew, Ben and me for all the help and commorodary! Regards, ---Matthew Genelin--- > Hey TCWUG gang- > > Exciting stuff here. I wasn't aware that we had more then Jeff coming, as > he was the only person's hand I saw go up. Hey Ben -- perhaps we should > get a list of people who are going to be helping us with the racks > tomorrow, and confirm they are coming ready to be nice and labouious. :) I > know you said you didn't want a lot of people along, but I thought I'd > offer at the meeting to see who was interested. Jeff seemed like the only > one. It sounds like Andy here is interested too. Are there a hoard of > others? (I want to gauge what level of heavy lifting I am going to be > doing. I like being lazy, so help is always welcome!) > > Jeff-- are you still coming? Want to drop me a line at: 612.636.2472. > > Andy-- Want to come? Gimme a jingle at: 612.636.2472. > > Ben-- Perhaps we can arrange a place to meet on East Bank campus to pick > up the racks before they are transported to St. Paul. (We need help > unloading them from East Bank first!) > > TCWUG-- After the meeting, Ben told me that Thursday will be a day were we > are focusing on working to get these two racks installed. We might have > another trip to tour the roof scheduled later in the summer. So, if you're > interested in only sightseeing the roof, your best bet is to see Ben's > pictures he took on the last sightseeing trip he took up there some months > ago at: > > http://www.nerp.net/ids/index.cgi?mode=album&album=/Ham%20Club/BioSci%20Survey > > I am not sure that we will see the roof at all Thursday, as I am along to > only install the racks. Please, come dressed appropriately, as the racks > are old, metal, disty and dirty. We are looking for people who like doing > stuff, like helping. :) > > Regards, > ---Matthew Genelin--- > >> Last night we were talking about a scope to site AP's. Is there a > model, >> in >> particular, we would like and where would the best deal be? I'll go > pick >> it >> up today if it is less than $200. >> >> I just picked up a Garmin ETrex that I will bring tomorrow to the St. > Paul >> Campus. >> >> Thanks, >> Andrew. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org] On > Behalf Of Neal Krasnoff >> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 6:51 PM >> To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org >> Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Re: [wireless] TCWUG: next meeting! >> >> on 6/9/03 4:15 PM, mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu at mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu wrote: >> >>> Hey Spencer- >>> I was just thinking the *same* thing. Let's go to the next meeting and > find out, eh? >>> Regards, >>> ---Matthew Genelin--- >>>> Is anyone going to these meetings? What is being discussed at these > meetings? The only thing I have in my tcwug mailbox for the past > several months are these meeting notices. >>>> Is the TCWUG still a group? >>>> What is the status? >> >> Propagation tests, purchasing of equipment, next the purchase of panel > antennas. I have been delayed on finishing the engineering document. :( >> >> Things are moving along, however slowly. >> >> Neal >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota >> http://www.tcwug.org >> tcwug-list@tcwug.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota >> http://www.tcwug.org >> tcwug-list@tcwug.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jun 13 13:32:09 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] N connector supplier? Message-ID: I'm looking for a local supplier of those little N connectors so I can add an external antenna to a wifi card. Any idea where I can find them locally? -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From list at slushpupie.com Fri Jun 13 13:40:02 2003 From: list at slushpupie.com (Jay Kline) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] N connector supplier? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200306131340.02262.list@slushpupie.com> AEI (Acme Electronics) off 55 had them last time I was there. Jay On Friday 13 June 2003 01:32 pm, Brian wrote: > I'm looking for a local supplier of those little N connectors so I can add > an external antenna to a wifi card. Any idea where I can find them > locally? -- Jay Kline http://www.slushpupie.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From brent at igotoofar.com Fri Jun 13 13:43:19 2003 From: brent at igotoofar.com (brent@igotoofar.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] N connector supplier? Message-ID: <20030613114320.18950.h010.c001.wm@mail.igotoofar.com.criticalpath.net> Radio City in Mounds View 2663 Co Rd 1 Mounds, View (763) 786-4475 On Fri, 13 Jun 2003 13:32:09 -0500 (CDT), Brian wrote: > > I'm looking for a local supplier of those little N > connectors so I can add > an external antenna to a wifi card. Any idea where I > can find them > locally? > > -Brian > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - > Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From michael at mkassner.net Fri Jun 13 14:11:42 2003 From: michael at mkassner.net (Michael P. Kassner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] N connector supplier? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000c01c331df$a089f690$0e00000a@mpkn3rd> Hello, I assume that you mean connections to the WiFi card and those usually require pigtails as they use very small mmcx, proprietary or other various small coax connectors. I use several from the company http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/cable_adapter.html I you indeed mean N style connectors, you can get them locally at http://www.radioinc.com/. They supply the solder style connectors or you can also get the crimp style from the above link and usually it is at a much better price. Hope that this helps. Michael P. Kassner MKassner Net/k0pbx --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Fri Jun 13 14:33:28 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] N connector supplier? In-Reply-To: <000c01c331df$a089f690$0e00000a@mpkn3rd> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Michael P. Kassner wrote: > Hello, > > I assume that you mean connections to the WiFi card and those usually > require pigtails as they use very small mmcx, proprietary or other various > small coax connectors. I use several from the company > http://www.hyperlinktech.com/web/cable_adapter.html You are correct, I forgot about the pigtails. Are you aware of a local supplier of the pigtails as well? -me _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at mnfilm.org Fri Jun 13 14:34:07 2003 From: ben at mnfilm.org (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting recap and next meetings Message-ID: All, We had a great meeting the other night. Here are some of the highlights: (anyone who was there, please chime in if I forget anything) Tuesday?s meeting was one of the largest in a while; we had at least 15 people by my count. The numbers were bolstered by a large contingent from the University Hamm Operators Club who came by to check out the meeting. If these attendance levels hold, we?ll have to find a bigger space. At least for the next meeting though, we?ll still be at the same place (more on that below). Meeting format suggestions: we talked about using the first half of the meeting to bring everyone up to date on various projects and goings on, then, after a break, turn the conversation open to a free-wheeling discussion of whatever people want to talk about. If anyone knows a conversational topic in advance, please post it to the list; that way anyone particularly interesting in that subject can make a point to be there. Ben (sorry, I didn?t get your last name) talked about a project he?s working on: a private mesh network based on the one used by Seattle Wireless. Any explanation I give would not do it justice; perhaps a post about it, Ben? We talked a bit about the Loring Park project, the ongoing effort to bring free wireless internet access to the park area. Nycwireless did this with Bryant Park in Manhattan, check out http://www.technolosophy.com/projects/bryantpark.html for their report. There is currently some wireless access in the park, and Alex Huff and Leif Utne have talked to MCTC about the possibility of using their buildings for a site to increase coverage. They are also meeting with Cisco about possibly donating equipment for the project. Guys, any updates? Big ups to Alec, Neal, Jeff, and Andrew ? and everyone else- for their work so far on this. We talked some about having speakers come and make presentations. Everyone I talked with felt that could wait for a while. If you have something you?d like to talk about or something you?d like to hear about at a meeting, please post to the list. If there?s enough interest, then we?ll go forward. Also, Ben (of the above mesh network fame) is going to work with Real Time Enterprises (wonderful hosts of www.tcwug.org ? your place for all the latest and greatest TCWUG information) about putting a wiki on the site to allowing users to change and update content, so the site is always fresh and up to date about the various projects and goings on. Thanks for your work, guys. Lastly, the dates for our next two meetings: 6:00 to 8:00, July 8 and August 12 at the Freight House Dunn Bro?s (Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt). We?re keeping our second Tuesday of the month schedule for the time being. I know we were a little tight this last meeting, and if the numbers hold for July I?ll find a bigger space in August (anyone with access to a large space near a coffee machine please contact me directly at the info below). Stay tuned!! Questions? Comments? I forget something? Please post and let me know! Ben -- Ben Nelson 612.685.9116 cell benmgroup@earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030613/37149a95/attachment.htm From adi at hexapodia.org Fri Jun 13 15:06:30 2003 From: adi at hexapodia.org (Andy Isaacson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] next meeting, and irc In-Reply-To: ; from ben@mnfilm.org on Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 02:34:07PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030613150630.A26226@hexapodia.org> On Fri, Jun 13, 2003 at 02:34:07PM -0500, Ben Nelson wrote: > Lastly, the dates for our next two meetings: 6:00 to 8:00, July 8 and August > 12 at the Freight House Dunn Bro?s (Map and directions: > http://tinyurl.com/79jt). We?re keeping our second Tuesday of the month > schedule for the time being. I would like to suggest that people who bring laptops to the meeting be prepared to join the IRC channel (irc.freenode.net/#tcwug). This will make sharing URLs much easier than shouting them across the table. -andy _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From michael at mkassner.net Fri Jun 13 17:29:40 2003 From: michael at mkassner.net (Michael P. Kassner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] N connector supplier? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <002701c331fb$481c1c60$0e00000a@mpkn3rd> Hello Again, No, I am not. I would like to know that as well. I have been checking for about a year and a half now and have not found any. They are somewhat specific and I guess the supplier needs a bigger audience than just the twin cities. That website supplier can have them for you in about 2-3 days, they ship rather quickly. I have spent almost $1000 with them and have been happy so far. Michael Kassner MKassner Net/k0pbx --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.489 / Virus Database: 288 - Release Date: 6/10/2003 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sat Jun 14 09:50:54 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia: oreilly newsletter ... Message-ID: <20030614145054.GA49947@botwerks.org> all - i've been remiss in getting these out to the group. if you're interested in offers that ORA has this month check out the attached. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC -------------- next part -------------- O'Reilly User Group Program Newsletter June 13, 2003 Please share this information with your members... 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So polish up that software and enter today. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/developer/2003/06/05/innovators.html ***Knowing When to Let Go: Better Living Through Memory Management The basic idea of memory management is to keep objects around exactly as long as they're needed. In this article Rob Rix helps you learn how to keep objects around for as long as they are needed, but no longer. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/06/10/memory_mgmt.html ***Need a Free Exhibit Guest Pass for Macworld CreativePro July 16-18 in New York? You can register online with priority code PC0174 on or before June 16, 2003 at: http://www.macworldexpo.com/ Or I can send you some free passes to bring onsite--just let me know. Until next time-- Marsee From dannenbring at hotmail.com Sat Jun 14 15:13:36 2003 From: dannenbring at hotmail.com (Jason Dannenbring) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] I WANT TO PARTICIPATE Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030614/faf0c4f9/attachment.html From dieman at ringworld.org Tue Jun 17 22:52:51 2003 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier - dieman) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] T-Mobile GPRS Message-ID: BTW, you can now get GPRS for $20 with a phone plan, or *$30* standalone. Unlimited. If your a t-mobile customer, you can use their website to email a CSR and they put it on for me odd hours last night! GPRS isn't be all end all, but its better than nothing. Be sure to ask for the VPN option if you need a real IP address and not a NAT-ed address. The NAT address is the internet2.voicestream.com APN and the non-NAT is internet3.voicestream.com -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From natecars at real-time.com Wed Jun 18 12:50:05 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] T-Mobile GPRS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1055958605.1618.3.camel@knight> On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 22:52, Scott Dier - dieman wrote: > Be sure to ask for the VPN option if you need a real IP address and not a > NAT-ed address. The NAT address is the internet2.voicestream.com APN and > the non-NAT is internet3.voicestream.com Yeah, I saw the $30/mo thing - really cool. Didn't see the $20 option on their web site last time I checked, but I had heard it's coming. So does the VPN option (to give you a static IP address) cost anything extra? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Jun 18 13:36:53 2003 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier - dieman) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: T-Mobile GPRS In-Reply-To: <1055958605.1618.3.camel@knight> Message-ID: As far as I know, it doesn't. On 18 Jun 2003, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Tue, 2003-06-17 at 22:52, Scott Dier - dieman wrote: > > Be sure to ask for the VPN option if you need a real IP address and not a > > NAT-ed address. The NAT address is the internet2.voicestream.com APN and > > the non-NAT is internet3.voicestream.com > > Yeah, I saw the $30/mo thing - really cool. Didn't see the $20 option on > their web site last time I checked, but I had heard it's coming. > > So does the VPN option (to give you a static IP address) cost anything > extra? > > -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From lxy at cloudnet.com Sat Jun 21 11:29:29 2003 From: lxy at cloudnet.com (Brian) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Intel AnyCrap Message-ID: Does anyone have Intel Anypoint wireless crap they want to off load? I was gifted with an Intel Anypoint PCMCIA card, and despite all its shortcomings, it'll actually work for what I want to do. I just need another card (either PCMCIA or USB) so I can try this thing out. -Brian _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dd at davedash.com Sat Jun 21 11:37:00 2003 From: dd at davedash.com (Dave Dash) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] old laptops? Message-ID: <94CAF448-A406-11D7-9282-00039397F470@davedash.com> Does anybody have old laptop(s) that they're willing to part with? Something at least maybe 400+Mhz. Something I can stick a wiFi card and Knoppix into and run ;) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Jun 23 09:01:00 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] old laptops? In-Reply-To: <94CAF448-A406-11D7-9282-00039397F470@davedash.com> Message-ID: On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Dave Dash wrote: > Does anybody have old laptop(s) that they're willing to part with? > Something at least maybe 400+Mhz. Something I can stick a wiFi card > and Knoppix into and run ;) I question calling a 400MHz laptop especially "old;" they still seem to nab $100-300+ on eBay. Good luck finding a cast-off, at any rate... Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From jkotek at madgenius.com Mon Jun 23 09:27:54 2003 From: jkotek at madgenius.com (Jon Kotek) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] old laptops? In-Reply-To: References: <94CAF448-A406-11D7-9282-00039397F470@davedash.com> Message-ID: <20030623142754.M85761@madgenius.com> Right now castoff's are usually the PII 233mhz area or slower. Jon On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 09:01:00 -0500 (CDT), Jima wrote > On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Dave Dash wrote: > > Does anybody have old laptop(s) that they're willing to part with? > > Something at least maybe 400+Mhz. Something I can stick a wiFi card > > and Knoppix into and run ;) > > I question calling a 400MHz laptop especially "old;" they still > seem to nab $100-300+ on eBay. Good luck finding a cast-off, at any rate... > > Jima > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Jun 23 10:43:30 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] old laptops? In-Reply-To: <20030623142754.M85761@madgenius.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Jon Kotek wrote: > Right now castoff's are usually the PII 233mhz area or slower. That sounds more likely. I seem to recall that the TCLUG demo'd a 233 or so laptop at Strictly Business with Knoppix...it ought to work. Not as nice as a 400, but hey, beggars can't be choosers, right? :) Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From efk at bitstream.net Mon Jun 23 11:15:01 2003 From: efk at bitstream.net (Eric Humphries) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Lonely p166 looking for a home In-Reply-To: References: <20030623142754.M85761@madgenius.com> Message-ID: <20030623161501.GB25057@bitstream.net> Speaking of old computers, I have a pentium 166Mhz machine with 16MB of ram (maybe 32) thats looking for a good home if anyone is interested. I'm not asking anything for it of course, but I have a cheesy little monitor and a keyboard that goes with it. Its fully equipped with 10/100 3com nic (dont remember which model, maybe a 900b or a 905b), 1 or 2x cdrom drive (bios supports bootable cd media), and some sb16 compatible soundcard, but the harddrive is a bit small, but all in all a solid machine. It ran FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE just fine. I'm not asking anything for it, but if you would like it just shoot me an email. Pop another nic in it, and you have yourself a perfectly fine NAT machine or firewall. I used it for an online store via Web+Shop for about 6 months before I moved everything to another machine. -- Eric Humphries _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andrew at azimmer.com Mon Jun 23 12:53:23 2003 From: andrew at azimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Lonely p166 looking for a home In-Reply-To: <20030623161501.GB25057@bitstream.net> Message-ID: <007401c339b0$57b98830$3301a8c0@az.local> I could take that off your hand's. I have some other computers that I have setup with NoCat that are awaiting TCWUG projects. I have some room in the basement and the time to work on it. Throw me an email if it is still available and where/if I can pick it up. Thanks, Andrew (Andrew@azimmer.com) _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dd at davedash.com Mon Jun 23 13:17:06 2003 From: dd at davedash.com (Dave Dash) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] old laptops? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry I should have been more clear, I'd be willing to pay a few hundred for it. :) On Monday, June 23, 2003, at 09:01 AM, Jima wrote: > On Sat, 21 Jun 2003, Dave Dash wrote: >> Does anybody have old laptop(s) that they're willing to part with? >> Something at least maybe 400+Mhz. Something I can stick a wiFi card >> and Knoppix into and run ;) > > I question calling a 400MHz laptop especially "old;" they still seem > to > nab $100-300+ on eBay. > Good luck finding a cast-off, at any rate... > > Jima > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From jima at beer.tclug.org Mon Jun 23 13:54:25 2003 From: jima at beer.tclug.org (Jima) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] old laptops? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Jun 2003, Dave Dash wrote: > Sorry I should have been more clear, I'd be willing to pay a few > hundred for it. :) Oh. In that case, try eBay? :) Jima _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From efk at bitstream.net Mon Jun 23 14:12:03 2003 From: efk at bitstream.net (Eric Humphries) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Lonely p166 looking for a home In-Reply-To: <20030623170817.GA12494@mail.el-swifto.com> References: <20030623142754.M85761@madgenius.com> <20030623161501.GB25057@bitstream.net> <20030623170817.GA12494@mail.el-swifto.com> Message-ID: <20030623191203.GA2948@bitstream.net> On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 12:08:17PM -0500, John J. Trammell wrote: > On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 11:15:01AM -0500, Eric Humphries wrote: > > Speaking of old computers, I have a pentium 166Mhz machine with 16MB > > of ram (maybe 32) thats looking for a good home if anyone is interested. > > I'm not asking anything for it of course, but I have a cheesy little > > monitor and a keyboard that goes with it. Its fully equipped with 10/100 > > 3com nic (dont remember which model, maybe a 900b or a 905b), 1 or 2x > > cdrom drive (bios supports bootable cd media), and some sb16 compatible > > soundcard, but the harddrive is a bit small, but all in all a solid > > machine. It ran FreeBSD 4.8-RELEASE just fine. I'm not asking anything > > for it, but if you would like it just shoot me an email. > > Sounds perfect to me--I'm looking to upgrade my firewall from > an old 486 to something that supports bootable CD's. When > can I come get it? > Just looking at my email headers, it looks like john responded first. John, give me a call tonight after 5:00 pm at 612-201-9120 and I can give you directions to my place. -- Eric Humphries _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kritchie at kritchie.org Mon Jun 23 17:48:51 2003 From: kritchie at kritchie.org (Kent Ritchie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Lonely p166 looking for a home Message-ID: <1056408531.3ef783d39c152@www.kritchie.org> Quoting Eric Humphries : > Just looking at my email headers, it looks like john responded first. > John, give me a call tonight after 5:00 pm at 612-201-9120 and I can > give you directions to my place. Ok, I admit, I wasn't really paying attention up to this point. The above makes me think someone missed out on a P166 computer. Well, if it's any consolation I have a DEC dual P100 (ooooh!) 32MB/4GB (SCSI!) with 10MBit NIC I am still trying to get rid of. Absolutely free. You just need to pick it up. No CDROM, but I have installed Linux via network before from a boot floppy. You will need to pick it up - the only catch. Reply to me if interested. -Kent _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From bohlgren at yahoo.com Tue Jun 24 01:19:56 2003 From: bohlgren at yahoo.com (Brandon Ohlgren) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Lonely p166 looking for a home In-Reply-To: <1056408531.3ef783d39c152@www.kritchie.org> Message-ID: <20030624061956.58804.qmail@web12101.mail.yahoo.com> OOO i'll take it just let me know where to go __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month! http://sbc.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kritchie at kritchie.org Tue Jun 24 11:02:45 2003 From: kritchie at kritchie.org (Kent Ritchie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Lonely p166 looking for a home Message-ID: <1056470565.3ef87625d473b@www.kritchie.org> Just a thought... I received three requests for my dual P100. If more of you have systems you aren't using and are willing to give away or sell, it appears there is some demand for them. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kritchie at kritchie.org Tue Jun 24 11:04:32 2003 From: kritchie at kritchie.org (Kent Ritchie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Lonely p166 looking for a home Message-ID: <1056470672.3ef876905caba@www.kritchie.org> Already taken... I posted to the list on the behalf of those of you who didn't get it. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From efk at bitstream.net Tue Jun 24 12:04:28 2003 From: efk at bitstream.net (Eric Humphries) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Lonely p166 looking for a home In-Reply-To: <1056408531.3ef783d39c152@www.kritchie.org> References: <1056408531.3ef783d39c152@www.kritchie.org> Message-ID: <20030624170428.GB19123@bitstream.net> On Mon, Jun 23, 2003 at 05:48:51PM -0500, Kent Ritchie wrote: > Quoting Eric Humphries : > > > Just looking at my email headers, it looks like john responded first. > > John, give me a call tonight after 5:00 pm at 612-201-9120 and I can > > give you directions to my place. > > Ok, I admit, I wasn't really paying attention up to this point. The above > makes me think someone missed out on a P166 computer. Well, if it's any > consolation I have a DEC dual P100 (ooooh!) 32MB/4GB (SCSI!) with 10MBit > NIC I am still trying to get rid of. Absolutely free. You just need to > pick it up. No CDROM, but I have installed Linux via network before from > a boot floppy. > > You will need to pick it up - the only catch. > > Reply to me if interested. > > -Kent > Spring cleaning is fun. :) -- Eric Humphries _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dhswanson at attbi.com Wed Jun 25 07:06:04 2003 From: dhswanson at attbi.com (David Swanson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] D Link DWL-900 for Neal Message-ID: <000001c33b12$277205e0$8fad7618@frontroom15gb> Neal you still out there? I never had any luck with a discount on equip through my best buy contact, however, there's a great price on the dwl-900 at http://www.computers4sure.com/Product.asp?ProductID=1177367 &iid=342 - I've ordered from them before with no problems. David Swanson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030625/080c15e9/attachment.htm From efk at bitstream.net Wed Jun 25 10:44:07 2003 From: efk at bitstream.net (eric) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] D Link DWL-900 for Neal References: <000001c33b12$277205e0$8fad7618@frontroom15gb> Message-ID: <014101c33b30$9cee0760$2786f3d8@efk> Its difficult to find supported wifi nics at BestBuy anyways. The Linksys WPC11 thats being sold now is a ver. 4, and as far as I can tell its not supported in linux, and its definately not supported in FreeBSD. Lack of package details, and sales knowledge by the majority of the employees certainly dont help. Eric ----- Original Message ----- From: David Swanson To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:06 AM Subject: [TCWUG] D Link DWL-900 for Neal Neal you still out there? I never had any luck with a discount on equip through my best buy contact, however, there's a great price on the dwl-900 at http://www.computers4sure.com/Product.asp?ProductID=1177367&iid=342 - I've ordered from them before with no problems. David Swanson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I haven't ordered any antennas: these are my considerations before ordering. Neal nkras@visi.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Fri Jun 27 09:54:07 2003 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Antennas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 how about 180 degree sector antenas: 180 degrees horizontal, 20 degrees vertical, 9.6dbi. $128 http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/SPDG14H22.html 90 degrees horizontal, 22 degrees vertical, 11dbi. $60 http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/SPDG13F.html I wouldn't want below 20 degrees vertical, you want to be able to handle changes in terrain. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Neal Krasnoff wrote: > I've noticed that Panel antennas have a limited horizontal beam width. The > 8.5dbi panel is 60 degrees, as is the MAXRAD WISP 9 dBi Panel Antenna. Any > higher gain will result in a beam width that would be not usable for wide > signal coverage close to the park., such as a Harmon Place site. > The price is cheap enough: $30 to $40. > > The cheapest sector antenna is the MAXRAD WISP 14 dBi Sector Antenna, with a > 90 degree horizontal bea mwidth, for $140. This would be the antenna to be > used at Harmon Place or its equivalent. > > The 60 degree beam width antennas should be placed at some distance from the > park. > > I haven't ordered any antennas: these are my considerations before ordering. > > Neal > nkras@visi.com > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+/FqRflzKmtpiQEMRAqOSAJoC8iIkyoDEzRdPhyGgB9Iqhmg7DQCbBvNe xQteRuXkMhFYz224SM9P6+k= =e0nf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mikek at lacalhene.com Fri Jun 27 10:26:01 2003 From: mikek at lacalhene.com (KASSNER, Michael) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Northern Suburbs Message-ID: <11A13F1BA3F3D3119E870050DA262CD01F7811@EXCHSERV1> Hello, I am very active in wireless networking professionally as well as in through amateur radio. I have an outside test node as well as several portable systems to distance test as well as bring Internet access to field locations in my area for various events. I would like to find out if there are any other like-wise interested people in northern suburbs. It seems to be rather barren up here except for the amateur radio activity. To learn about my interests you could check out my website www.mkassner.net I would like to be able to make it to the meetings, but my schedule will not allow for that. I monitor the mailing lists and would like to hear from people interested in setting up some nodes. Regards, Michael Kassner MKassner Net/k0pbx --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.493 / Virus Database: 292 - Release Date: 6/25/2003 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andrew at azimmer.com Fri Jun 27 13:35:16 2003 From: andrew at azimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] TCWUG Projects In-Reply-To: <11A13F1BA3F3D3119E870050DA262CD01F7811@EXCHSERV1> Message-ID: <000501c33cda$dafd8250$3301a8c0@az.local> I'm wondering if these things have been done already that TCWUG could potentially use. 1. AP mapping software, something simple and not based on a GPS or longitude and latitude coordinates to map the locations. It would be nice to setup the Loring park gateway with a web site that could provide the information to park visitors. 2. A way to distribute AP configuration settings via internet. Something to deliver dhcpd, web caching, firewall, captive portal, VPN settings to TCWUG AP's. 3. Use guidelines for 802.11 channels. Channel 11 for business oriented use, channel 6 for public and 1 for personal? I do not think this is a bad idea, probably futile but it might be nice to make some kind of coordination effort. 4. A good location for AP configuration documentation, something about various distributions and captive portals. I know you can find the stuff on various sites but I have not found site with the Holy Grail of AP documentation. Also: Would it help to work on some TCWUG OS, captive portals, web caching, VPN, hardware, or antenna recommendations? Maybe we can get a sound off on what projects people are working on and if TCWUG can help. Are there are projects people would like to see done? I know I'd like to setup some open AP's by the light rail stations that are coming. I've been working on a hardware collection for TCWUG. 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I was thinking we could use 11 for client-attach AP's and 1/6 for linking AP's together (since this is where it's possible to use high-power ham equipment) 4: eventualy.. if i ever get access to setup the blog/wiki software.. there is content management stuff that we can use to put up such documents. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Andrew Zimmer wrote: > I'm wondering if these things have been done already that TCWUG could > potentially use. > > 1. AP mapping software, something simple and not based on a GPS or > longitude and latitude coordinates to map the locations. It would be > nice to setup the Loring park gateway with a web site that could provide > the information to park visitors. > > 2. A way to distribute AP configuration settings via internet. > Something to deliver dhcpd, web caching, firewall, captive portal, VPN > settings to TCWUG AP's. > > 3. Use guidelines for 802.11 channels. Channel 11 for business > oriented use, channel 6 for public and 1 for personal? I do not think > this is a bad idea, probably futile but it might be nice to make some > kind of coordination effort. > > 4. A good location for AP configuration documentation, something about > various distributions and captive portals. I know you can find the > stuff on various sites but I have not found site with the Holy Grail of > AP documentation. > > > Also: > > Would it help to work on some TCWUG OS, captive portals, web caching, > VPN, hardware, or antenna recommendations? > > Maybe we can get a sound off on what projects people are working on and > if TCWUG can help. Are there are projects people would like to see > done? I know I'd like to setup some open AP's by the light rail > stations that are coming. > > I've been working on a hardware collection for TCWUG. Currently, I have > 5 Pentium 100 boxes and 1 Athlon 1100 box that are available to TCWUG > projects. Maybe we can create a TCWUG inventory page on the web site. > > Thanks, > Andrew > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+/JgXflzKmtpiQEMRAlpmAJ9ikysu5Uf5lxVaTbYURI14xm/a7gCfYIEo TANXNFZX8N2IaHiKvT0yIBE= =FGtN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Jun 27 14:49:20 2003 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] TCWUG Projects In-Reply-To: <000501c33cda$dafd8250$3301a8c0@az.local> References: <11A13F1BA3F3D3119E870050DA262CD01F7811@EXCHSERV1> <000501c33cda$dafd8250$3301a8c0@az.local> Message-ID: <20030627194920.GG2173@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Jun 27, 2003 at 01:35:16PM -0500, Andrew Zimmer wrote: > I'm wondering if these things have been done already that TCWUG could > potentially use. > > 1. AP mapping software, something simple and not based on a GPS or > longitude and latitude coordinates to map the locations. It would be > nice to setup the Loring park gateway with a web site that could provide > the information to park visitors. Well, if you haven't seen it, there's http://maps.tcwug.org, you can get the GPS coordinates via mapquest, mappoint, or a lot of other places if you need to add additional nodes there. > > 2. A way to distribute AP configuration settings via internet. > Something to deliver dhcpd, web caching, firewall, captive portal, VPN > settings to TCWUG AP's. I know someone was working on this for various platforms.. I had made a very small distro (linux) minus the web caching (it ran off CD-ROM or floppy), and grabbed the config settings from a central server. (un?)fortunately the work has been duplicated elsewhere, and is more user friendly. [snip 3, no real comments here] > 4. A good location for AP configuration documentation, something about > various distributions and captive portals. I know you can find the > stuff on various sites but I have not found site with the Holy Grail of > AP documentation. personaltelco's wiki is the closest thing to a holy grail =) > Also: > > Would it help to work on some TCWUG OS, captive portals, web caching, > VPN, hardware, or antenna recommendations? > > Maybe we can get a sound off on what projects people are working on and > if TCWUG can help. Are there are projects people would like to see > done? I know I'd like to setup some open AP's by the light rail > stations that are coming. > > I've been working on a hardware collection for TCWUG. Currently, I have > 5 Pentium 100 boxes and 1 Athlon 1100 box that are available to TCWUG > projects. Maybe we can create a TCWUG inventory page on the web site. Nifty, the 5 pentiums would made great end nodes, while the athlon could easily host a central database/site (unless it's easier to host it on existing hardware -- depends on who has what when it comes to bandwidth) > > Thanks, > Andrew -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From chrome at real-time.com Fri Jun 27 15:15:38 2003 From: chrome at real-time.com (Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] TCWUG Projects In-Reply-To: <20030627194920.GG2173@techmonkeys.org>; from poptix@techmonkeys.org on Fri, Jun 27, 2003 at 02:49:20PM -0500 References: <11A13F1BA3F3D3119E870050DA262CD01F7811@EXCHSERV1> <000501c33cda$dafd8250$3301a8c0@az.local> <20030627194920.GG2173@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20030627151538.J24387@real-time.com> > Nifty, the 5 pentiums would made great end nodes, while the athlon could > easily host a central database/site (unless it's easier to host it on > existing hardware -- depends on who has what when it comes to bandwidth) I did once set up a co-lo box for multifarous TCWUG purposes at http://killdeer.tcwug.org; but it's currently having some sort of hardware problems, so it's probably good that nothing ever got done with it. :) the space would probably still be available at Real-Time for a TCWUG co-lo box tho. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From natecars at real-time.com Fri Jun 27 16:02:04 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (Nate Carlson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] TCWUG Projects In-Reply-To: <20030627151538.J24387@real-time.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Carl Wilhelm Soderstrom wrote: > I did once set up a co-lo box for multifarous TCWUG purposes at > http://killdeer.tcwug.org; but it's currently having some sort of > hardware problems, so it's probably good that nothing ever got done > with it. :) the space would probably still be available at Real-Time > for a TCWUG co-lo box tho. I may be coming upon some hardware within the next couple weeks; if I end up with a spare rackmount box, I'll throw one up for TCWUG stuff. Probably even have a spare RAID controller and a couple 9gb drives for it. :) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Fri Jun 27 19:21:57 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Antennas In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On 6/27/03 9:54 AM, "Ben Kochie" wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > how about 180 degree sector antenas: > > 180 degrees horizontal, 20 degrees vertical, 9.6dbi. $128 > http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/SPDG14H22.html > > 90 degrees horizontal, 22 degrees vertical, 11dbi. $60 > http://www.demarctech.com/products/reliawave-antennas/SPDG13F.html > > I wouldn't want below 20 degrees vertical, you want to be able to handle > changes in terrain. > > - -ben Have you or anyone else used these antennas? The specs are what we are looking for....so is the price. Neal _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Fri Jun 27 19:23:38 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] TCWUG Projects In-Reply-To: <20030627194920.GG2173@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: On 6/27/03 2:49 PM, "Matthew S. Hallacy" wrote: >> I've been working on a hardware collection for TCWUG. Currently, I have >> 5 Pentium 100 boxes and 1 Athlon 1100 box that are available to TCWUG >> projects. Maybe we can create a TCWUG inventory page on the web site. > > Nifty, the 5 pentiums would made great end nodes, while the athlon could > easily host a central database/site (unless it's easier to host it on > existing hardware -- depends on who has what when it comes to bandwidth) > An inventory would be a good idea. I have equipment to list as well. This way we won't duplicate purchases and efforts. Neal _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Fri Jun 27 23:27:51 2003 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Antennas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I havn't personaly, but have wanted to order some to try them out.. specs seem reasonable. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Fri, 27 Jun 2003, Neal Krasnoff wrote: > > > Have you or anyone else used these antennas? The specs are what we are > looking for....so is the price. > > Neal -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+/RlJflzKmtpiQEMRAqajAKCH7jrd5GLwfPSytYcrejlXdwHF/wCfTrV4 innUpT1vt5WaMYHlUixuiHU= =VClr -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Sun Jun 29 01:23:15 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] D Link DWL-900 for Neal In-Reply-To: <000001c33b12$277205e0$8fad7618@frontroom15gb> References: <000001c33b12$277205e0$8fad7618@frontroom15gb> Message-ID: >Neal you still out there? I never had any luck with a discount on >equip through my best buy contact, however, there's a great price >on the dwl-900 at >h >ttp://www.computers4sure.com/Product.asp?ProductID=1177367&iid=342 > - I've ordered from them before with no problems. David Swanson Dave: I already bought 2 DWL-900AP+ units. Thanks anyway. Neal _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Jun 29 17:13:09 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia - oreilly newletter Message-ID: <20030629221309.GA36680@botwerks.org> oreilly and associated UG newsletter - enjoy... ---------------------------------------------------------------------- O'Reilly User Group Program Newsletter June 27, 2003 Please share this information with your members... 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Instead, check out these ten handy tips that will transform your ho-hum footage into compelling video. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/06/13/dv_tips.html Derrick Story is the author of the upcoming "Digital Video Pocket Guide" Order Number: 5237 http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/dvideopg/ ================================================ News From Your Peers ================================================ ***Join the Linux Users' Group of Davis for a Special Meeting, Davis, CA--July 21 Seth David Schoen, Electronic Frontier Foundation, will be speaking about "The Empire Strikes Back: Constraining Free Software Development." He will review the story of the DVD Wars, the broader debates over copyright policy, and current regulatory initiatives. He will also discuss new technologies such as software-defined radio and trusted computing, and emphasize that free software's future is far from assured. http://www.lugod.org/meeting/upcoming/ Until next time-- Marsee -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From paul at gilbertson.net Mon Jun 30 00:26:41 2003 From: paul at gilbertson.net (Paul Gilbertson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list digest, Vol 1 #249 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <20030629170002.8985.40097.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <000a01c33ec8$301bdea0$6500a8c0@t20> If you're not picky about the brand - you can get a Belkin wireless device for under $30.00 after rebate at Microcenter just off HWY 100 or on the web: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=01518 77 Paul _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mail at RobWentworth.com Mon Jun 30 10:46:11 2003 From: mail at RobWentworth.com (Rob Wentworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list digest, Vol 1 #249 - 1 msg References: <000a01c33ec8$301bdea0$6500a8c0@t20> Message-ID: <00d101c33f1e$bb1e4dc0$c901a8c0@SKYNET> $99.99 purchase price - $30 mail-in-rebate = $69.99 total cost ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Gilbertson" To: Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 12:26 AM Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list digest, Vol 1 #249 - 1 msg > If you're not picky about the brand - you can get a Belkin wireless > device for under $30.00 after rebate at Microcenter just off HWY 100 or > on the web: > > http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=01518 > 77 > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mellswor at well.com Mon Jun 30 11:47:23 2003 From: mellswor at well.com (Mike Ellsworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list digest, Vol 1 #249 - 1 msg In-Reply-To: <00d101c33f1e$bb1e4dc0$c901a8c0@SKYNET> Message-ID: <00cf01c33f27$48305f70$6401a8c0@stratvantagelap> Check the expiration date on the rebate - yesterday. Mike Ellsworth Stratvantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.stratvantage.com They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Rob Wentworth Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 10:46 AM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: Re: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list digest, Vol 1 #249 - 1 msg $99.99 purchase price - $30 mail-in-rebate = $69.99 total cost ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Gilbertson" To: Sent: Monday, June 30, 2003 12:26 AM Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list digest, Vol 1 #249 - 1 msg > If you're not picky about the brand - you can get a Belkin wireless > device for under $30.00 after rebate at Microcenter just off HWY 100 or > on the web: > > http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=01518 > 77 > > Paul > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From jdhaugen at hotmail.com Mon Jun 30 20:02:42 2003 From: jdhaugen at hotmail.com (Jay Haugen) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] interested Message-ID: Matt, i just discovered tcwug recently as did i create a wi-fi network. i am interested in following your mapping project. what do i need to do to keep viewing it? i noticed the memo about creating a username/passsword to be able to remain viewing the map. is this still true? jay haugen _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. 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