From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Wed Mar 19 12:43:19 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:15 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: No wireless in Dulles?! In-Reply-To: <20030319183122.GA44388@botwerks.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 19 Mar 2003, steve ulrich wrote: > sfo (various - patchy) ams t-mobile claims they have a contract to roll out sfo terminal-wide in the next year. -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Wed Mar 19 21:08:50 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:15 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] No wireless in Dulles?! In-Reply-To: <28138.209.98.143.114.1048104774.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net>; from dan@omitted.net on Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 02:12:54PM -0600 References: <20030319183122.GA44388@botwerks.org> <28138.209.98.143.114.1048104774.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net> Message-ID: <20030319210850.A60041@rattei.org> On Wed, Mar 19, 2003 at 02:12:54PM -0600, Dan Willenbring wrote: : Salt Lake (SLC), Ontario (ONT) and Sacramento (SAC) do not have wireless. : Hope this doesn't turn into a list of every airport in the US :) Sorry : just thought I'd chime in with my recent experience. LGA in NYC does have 802.11 access, at least in concorse C where I was stranded last Sunday. Although, their DHCP server was wacked out as I had some difficulty pulling down an IP while using two different laptops running Mac OS X 10.2.4. I believe it was wayport, and they had some Intel Centrino marketing dweebs pushing the advertising thing at a little kiosk near their food court. The access is free until April, after which they start charging. -- Ted Rattei --> ted@rattei.org|tedr@mac.com|cell@rattei.org Work email --> tedr@mpls.k12.mn.us | tedr@geeks-r-us.org AIM - tedrattei | irc - tedr @ irc.sigfs.org | 612.201.2393 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Wed Mar 19 12:44:16 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:15 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303191351.10NkXUCa18209@omr-d07.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from dieman@ringworld.org: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Sat Mar 22 19:10:02 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:15 2005 Subject: [wireless] Re: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar-sort of long In-Reply-To: <004d01c2e1e8$9744b580$6701a8c0@D32B5L01> References: <2361.66.41.8.133.1046712315.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> <20030303145511.A18235@florence.linkmargin.com> <004d01c2e1e8$9744b580$6701a8c0@D32B5L01> Message-ID: <4100.66.41.8.133.1048381802.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> Hey gang- > I don't think that Chris stands corrected!! I think the Mr. Pozner made > some errors in his reading and interpretation of the code and left out > important information in his technical paper. First, Sec 15.201 > specifically deals with the certification of Carrier Current Systems which > does not apply to 802.11. Sec 15.203 deals with non-removable antennas > (baby monitors, phones) but makes exception for Carrier Current Systems > and Wrong wrong wrong. Read 15.201. Part (a) specifies special requirements for Carrier Current Systems, etc. but does not say that the equipment in that part is the only equipment that pertains to part 15a. All devices that carry part 15 licensing (e.g. wireless access points, etc.) fall under the requirement of 15.201. > other intentional radiators which must be measured in accordance with Sec > 15.31(d). Mr Pozner's concentration on point (c) of sec 15.204 was a > misrepresentation of that section as set forth by the sectional premise I won't argue for Mr Pozner's paper. I will argue only the interpertation of the rules and regs that I know. > Here is the Kicker. None of the above matters because it is ALL > superceded > by the specific allowances set forth in Sec 15.247 and 15.249 with regards > to operation within the bands 902-928 MHz, 2400-2483.5 MHz, and 5725-5850 > MHz. In this case an antenna just needs to meet the technical > requirements. Absolutely wrong. Parts 15.247 and 15.249 do not exempt the requirement for certification / authroization. Those parts only specify more stringent technical standards to hold products to. Most of the time the idea is to steer the commercial manufacturing world in one direction, and putting technical requirements in the rules is one way to accomplish this. > I have included below the aboved referenced items. :-) I would like to assume that the rest of the list read this, but seeing that I received a few phone calls asking for "my side" of this discussion, (and no other posts) I am guessing noone did. In Sum, it is illegal to do what Scott was talking about. It's illegal do attach non-certified (non-authorized) antennas to wi-fi cards, ap's, etc. without authorization and/or certification. Part 15 also has a part for temporary authorization, and spells out how to obtain it. (15.7). Are you going to get busted? Not likely if you are Scott, Earl or me. But if you were, say, an organization that has assets... Perhaps. If you are an organization that has assets _AND_ deploys access points with illegal radiators around town, then you should count on the fed coming to knock on your door. > For those of you that like to read go to: > http://www.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/cfrassemble.cgi?title=199947 > Better than a glass of warm milk to put you to sleep. > > S. Earl Jarosh (ex. Steve?) > N0HZ (ex. KA0VYB) No Hertz, No Gain > 612-868-1313 > earl@jarosh.org > earljarosh@moneycenters.com > www.moneycenters.com > [...] Regards, ---Matthew Genelin--- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 24 20:27:38 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:16 2005 Subject: FW: [TCWUG] Organizing committee meeting 3/25 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Just a reminder, the Organizing committee is meeting tomorrow. Anyone interested in the topic is encouraged to attend. Ben ------ Forwarded Message From: Ben Nelson Reply-To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:50:10 -0600 To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org, tc-unwired Subject: [TCWUG] Organizing committee meeting 3/25 At the last couple meetings, the idea of officially forming as a non-profit has been discussed. Jeff and I are getting together to look at the advantages/disadvantages, how we know if we?re ready to form an official organization, what the next steps are, etc. Anyone and everyone interested in this topic is invited to join us for our inaugural meeting. Tuesday, March 25 6:00 pm At our favorite Dunn Bros. Dunn Bros Freighthouse 201 3rd Ave Minneapolis 612.692.8520 Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt -- Ben Nelson ------ End of Forwarded Message -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Pending posts: From: nobody@demon.net on Sun Mar 2 00:23:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Sun Mar 2 20:26:45 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303022128.02VjGKZa22570@omr-m11.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from dieman@ringworld.org: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Sun Mar 2 00:23:01 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] tcwug-list post from nobody@demon.net requires approval Message-ID: <20030302062301.5297.77571.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tcwug-list@tcwug.org From: nobody@demon.net Subject: Re: Your mail to Tony Finch (fanf@demon.net) Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tcwug-list to approve or deny the request. From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Sun Mar 2 19:54:59 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303022102.09VzTHHa10123@omr-m09.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from nkras@visi.com: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 06:40:46 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: It would not be illegal to use the DBS dish as long as you reduce the transmit power level as requied by the FCC. The amount you have to reduce the power is directly dependent on the actual gain of the antenna system. -- 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net Cultural observation: Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; Americans think 100 years is a long time! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 09:22:21 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar References: Message-ID: <004201c2e198$b044c250$6701a8c0@D32B5L01> Also, when Chris speaks of the antenna system, he does include the loss of the coax in the overall gain figures. System gain (DB) = Antenna gain (DB) + coax loss (-DB) You can find the published loss figures on www.timesmicrowave.com for the LMR-xxx series and www.belden.com for 9913 and 89913. Chris, would you like to give a power output (watts and dbm) computation example? S. Earl Jarosh (ex. Steve?) N0HZ (ex. KA0VYB) No Hertz, No Gain 612-868-1313 earl@jarosh.org earljarosh@moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com > It would not be illegal to use the DBS dish as long as you reduce the > transmit power level as requied by the FCC. > > The amount you have to reduce the power is directly dependent on the > actual gain of the antenna system. > > -- > 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 09:38:27 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:17 2005 Subject: [wireless] Re: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar In-Reply-To: ; from chrisc@Chris.Org on Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 06:40:46AM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20030303093827.A17572@florence.linkmargin.com> Chris Cox wrote: > It would not be illegal to use the DBS dish as long as you reduce the > transmit power level as requied by the FCC. > > The amount you have to reduce the power is directly dependent on the > actual gain of the antenna system. Last year Tim Pozar expanded his write up on how FCC rules affect 802.11, the result is here: http://www.lns.com/papers/part15/Regulations_Affecting_802_11.pdf Section 3 discusses power limits in a very straightforward way. It's a zero-sum game for point-to-multipoint, but not so for point-to-point links. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 11 10:01:15 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting tonight! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200303111001.15165@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 11 March 2003 09:21 am, Ben Nelson wrote: > Reminder: > TCWUG meeting tonight. > Tuesday, March 11 > 6:00 pm to 8:00 pm Could we have a little more then 8.5 hours notice for meetings? :-) Or did I miss the previous announcement? -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 10 20:30:12 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:17 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] ping - back a'cha References: <002b01c2e724$17de9fe0$6701a8c0@D32B5L01> <20030310143204.A13181@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <005f01c2e776$25d4dea0$6701a8c0@D32B5L01> > S. Earl Jarosh wrote: > > ping > ...and Andy replied > We're all still reading FCC Part 15. > When did you say the test was going to be ? > -- > andyw@pobox.com Cute, Andy, Cute!! Good humor! I about fell off my chair in fits of laughter. Oh, BTW, the test is tomorrow night at the meeting. I'll expect 100% from you! If you want to have even more fun, try reading the Deutsche Watermark laws for non-interference. This the German equivalent of the FCC Part 15 subpart J Class A and B. The Germans require some bizarre tests in their rules. S. Earl Jarosh (ex. Steve?) N0HZ (ex. KA0VYB) No Hertz, No Gain 612-868-1313 Money Centers of America Director of Information Technology earl@jarosh.org earljarosh@moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Wed Mar 19 12:31:22 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:18 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] No wireless in Dulles?! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20030319183122.GA44388@botwerks.org> ahh the travelers dilemma - it's easier to compile a list of airports which do have it. some airports which you would think *must* have it, just don't and it's a royal PITA. if you're a frequent traveller there are some tools that you should avail yourself of if you like speedy Internet access. http://www.geektools.com/geektels - their tools are hacks but the hotel list is great http://www.wayport.com <- hotels/airports these folks also bought laptop lane http://www.tmobile.net <- starbucks here's my list of airports that i frequent that have it & those that don't. if anyone can fill in my *nots* with updates i know i'd really appreciate it. haves nots ---------------------------------------------------------------------- msp (Qpass) ord den (at&t) mdw (rumored to now) aus (wayport) lit dfw (t-mobile - w/roaming) cdg sfo (various - patchy) ams sjc (wayport & admirals club) iad sea (various) dca lhr (various) bos jfk (various) las lax rdu when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, Mar 19, 2003), natecars@real-time.com was madly tapping out: > Geez, I'm shocked.. looks like Dulles doesn't have any 802.11b > access. I figured since MSP has it, Dulles would *have* to! :) > > Ah well.. that's what my cell phone's for. > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 17 16:50:10 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:18 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Organizing committee meeting 3/25 Message-ID: At the last couple meetings, the idea of officially forming as a non-profit has been discussed. Jeff and I are getting together to look at the advantages/disadvantages, how we know if we?re ready to form an official organization, what the next steps are, etc. Anyone and everyone interested in this topic is invited to join us for our inaugural meeting. Tuesday, March 25 6:00 pm At our favorite Dunn Bros. Dunn Bros Freighthouse 201 3rd Ave Minneapolis 612.692.8520 Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt -- Ben Nelson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030317/6dfbed95/attachment.html From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 11 10:18:06 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:18 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting tonight! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 13:17:46 -0600 Size: 5197 Url: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030318/af1ba113/attachment.mht From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Thu Mar 20 00:59:00 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:18 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] No wireless in Dulles?! In-Reply-To: <008001c2ee8c$4194ad10$6801a8c0@stratvantagelap> References: <20030319183122.GA44388@botwerks.org> <008001c2ee8c$4194ad10$6801a8c0@stratvantagelap> Message-ID: <20030320065900.GA51027@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, Mar 19, 2003), Mike Ellsworth was madly tapping out: > Steve, > > I just returned from Dulles, and, not only do they not have WLANs (despite > having two Starbucks on one concourse), they don't have phones that take > credit cards! I had to use this stupid Windoze-based terminal thingie to > send one measly email, and it cost me $7. > > ORD, however, does have WLANs. It's just that they don't have Internet > access because they are the baggage handling systems. I attached to three > different WLANs on C concourse, but no go for the Net. I wrote about the > experience in a recent edition of my newsletter: yeah, i've attached to those on a few different occaisions. about a year ago i was really excited when i got off the plane immediately associated with a network, got an ip address and couldn't get anywhere. a little digging revealed some bizarro mac addresses and i realized that i was dealing with some baggage system. > > http://www.stratvantage.com/news/031403.htm#3 > > Does anyone know of a comprehensive airport hotspot list? > i haven't run across anything yet. the wayport list is fairly short, the t-mobile list is growing as well but i haven't run across a geektels equivalent for airports yet. { snipped - misc .signatures } > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org]On > Behalf Of steve ulrich > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:31 PM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] No wireless in Dulles?! > > > ahh the travelers dilemma - it's easier to compile a list of airports > which do have it. some airports which you would think *must* have it, > just don't and it's a royal PITA. > > if you're a frequent traveller there are some tools that you should > avail yourself of if you like speedy Internet access. > > http://www.geektools.com/geektels > - their tools are hacks but the hotel list is great > > http://www.wayport.com <- hotels/airports these folks also bought > laptop lane > http://www.tmobile.net <- starbucks > > here's my list of airports that i frequent that have it & those that > don't. if anyone can fill in my *nots* with updates i know i'd really > appreciate it. > > haves nots > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > msp (Qpass) ord > den (at&t) mdw (rumored to now) > aus (wayport) lit > dfw (t-mobile - w/roaming) cdg > sfo (various - patchy) ams > sjc (wayport & admirals club) iad > sea (various) dca > lhr (various) bos > jfk (various) las > lax > rdu > > when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, Mar 19, 2003), > natecars@real-time.com was madly tapping out: > > Geez, I'm shocked.. looks like Dulles doesn't have any 802.11b > > access. I figured since MSP has it, Dulles would *have* to! :) > > > > Ah well.. that's what my cell phone's for. > > > > -- > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 11 09:21:55 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting tonight! 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Highlights This Week: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Book News ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Java Extreme Programming Cookbook -Learning Red Hat Linux, 3rd Edition -Web, Graphics & Perl/Tk: Best of the Perl Journal -Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual ---------------------------------------------------------------- Upcoming Events ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Derrick Story ("iPhoto:The Missing Manual" and "Digital Photo Pocket Guide") will present to the North Coast Mac Users Group at O'Reilly, Sebastopol, CA--March 22 -Jesse Liberty ("Programming ASP.NET") at the Web Services Edge 2003 East Conference, Boston, MA--March 20 -Software Legends Night at Softpro Books, Burlington, MA--March 26 -Colin Moock ("ActionScript for Flash MX") at Flash Forward 2003, San Francisco, CA--March 26 ---------------------------------------------------------------- Conference ---------------------------------------------------------------- -Registration is open for the 2003 O'Reilly Open Source Convention -Mac OS X Innovators Contest Winning Entry to be Announced at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference -New--Put Up A O'Reilly Open Source Convention Banner, Get A Free Book --------------------------------------------------------------- Safari ---------------------------------------------------------------- -First "Go On Safari" Winner--Michael J. 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Brimming over with 100 recipes for getting down to business and actually doing XP, "Java Extreme Programming Cookbook" succinctly documents the most important features of popular open source tools for XP in Java, and then digs right in, providing recipes for implementing the tools in real-world environments. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/jextprockbk/ Chapter 4, "JUnit," is available online: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/jextprockbk/chapter/index.html ***Learning Red Hat Linux, 3rd Edition Order Number: 4699 "Learning Red Hat Linux, 3rd Edition" guides you through the process of installing and running Red Hat Linux on your PC. Written in a friendly, easy-to-understand style, this book contains all you need to get started, including the complete Red Hat 8.0 distribution on CD. With new tutorials covering OpenOffice Tools and the desktop, this book is excellent for first-time Linux users who want to install the operating system on a new PC or convert an existing system to Linux. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/redhat3/ Chapter 10, "Connecting to the Internet," is available online: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/redhat3/ ***Web, Graphics & Perl/Tk: Best of the Perl Journal Order Number: 3110 "Web, Graphics & Perl/Tk: Best of the Perl Journal" includes the very best (and still relevant) articles published in "The Perl Journal" over its five years of publication. Written by 23 of the most prominent and prolific members of the closely knit Perl community, including Lincoln Stein, Mark-Jason Dominus, Alligator Descartes, and Dan Brian, the 40 articles included in this volume are simply some of the finest Perl articles ever written on the subjects of graphics, the Web, and Perl/Tk. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/tpj2/ Chapter 4, "Cookies," is available online: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/tpj2/chapter/index.html ***Switching to the Mac: The Missing Manual Order Number: 4524 If you've made the switch to Mac, or you're ready to, this book will show you how to: move files, address books, and email collections from a PC to the Mac; find familiar controls in the new system; set up a network to share files with PCs and Macs; and adapt old printers, scanners, and other peripherals. If you've discovered that just buying a new Mac isn't all there is to it, this guide by celebrated author and columnist David Pogue will have you converting from Windows to Mac quickly and easily. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/switchmacmm/ =============================================== Upcoming Events =============================================== ***Derrick Story ("iPhoto:The Missing Manual" and "Digital Photo Pocket Guide") will present to the North Coast Mac Users Group at O'Reilly, Sebastopol, CA--March 22 Join Derrick Story as he shows you how to take advantage of the powerful, yet easy to use, features in the latest version of the iLife application suite. Create "Ken Burns like" QuickTime movies, add music from your iTunes library, and publish it all to a CD, DVD, or the Web. Plus, you'll receive a special "behind the scenes" tour of the O'Reilly Campus here in Sebastopol. Derrick will be available to answer questions and sign books. The O'Reilly bookstore is open for this event. O'Reilly Saturday, March 22, 2003 11am--1pm 1005 Gravenstein Highway North Sebastopol, CA Directions: http://www.oreilly.com/oreilly/seb_directions.html For more information on NCMUG go to: http://www.ncmug.org/ ***Jesse Liberty ("Programming ASP.NET") at the Web Services Edge 2003 East Conference, Boston, MA--March 20 Author Jesse Liberty ("Programming C#," "Learning C#," "Learning Visual Basic .NET," and "Programming ASP.NET") is the keynote speaker at Web Services Edge 2003 East Conference. Web Services Edge 2003 East Conference & Expo March 18-20, 2003 Hynes Convention Center Boston, MA http://www.sys-con.com/webservicesedge2003east/index.cfm ***Software Legends Night at Softpro, Burlington, MA--March 26 Spend an evening filled with tips, tricks, best practices, and fun with author Chris Sells ("Mastering Visual Studio .NET"). Softpro Books Wednesday, March 26, 2003 6:30 to 8:00 pm 112 Mall Road Burlington, MA 01803-5300 http://www.softpro.com/events.html ***Colin Moock ("ActionScript for Flash MX") at Flash Forward 2003, San Francisco, CA--March 26 Author Colin Moock leads an ActionScript Workshop and a session on "Multiuser Flash with Unity 2." Flash Forward 2003 March 26- 29, 2003 Herbst Theatre San Francisco, CA http://www.flashforward2003.com/ For more events, please see: http://events.oreilly.com/ ================================================ Conference News ================================================ ***Registration is open for the 2003 O'Reilly Open Source Convention--Portland, OR Programmers, developers, strategists, technical staff, and other open source votaries from around the world congregate for five days of tutorials, conference sessions, and networking of the flesh-and-blood variety. Recognizing that open source tools have moved squarely into the mainstream, this year's convention focuses on "embracing and extending proprietary software." Early Bird Discount-- User Group members who register before May 23, 2003, get a double discount. Use code DSUG when you register, and you'll get 20% off the "Early Bird" price. To register, go to: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2003/create/ord_os03 O'Reilly Open Source Convention Portland Marriott Downtown, Portland, OR July 7-11, 2003 http://conferences.oreilly.com/oscon/ ***Mac OS X Innovators Contest Winning Entry to be Announced at the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference Have you created a Mac OS X application, plug-in, or some other type of innovative software that you believe is top in its class? Then enter it in the Mac OS X Innovators contest. First prize is an ADC Premier membership (includes WWDC pass, hardware credits, and tons of other benefits) plus a full pass to the O'Reilly Mac OS X Conference plus a one year subscription to the premium online book service, Safari--these awards total nearly $5,000 for the first place winner. Deadline for entries is March 28. Find out how to enter here: http://www.macdevcenter.com/mac/developer/ For more info on the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference: http://conferences.oreilly.com/etcon/ User Group members get 20% off the conference pricing. Use the code DSUG. To register, go to: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/pub/w/22/register.html ***New--Put Up an O'Reilly Open Source Convention Banner, Get A Free Book Ready for the next conference banner promotion? Here it is: We are looking for user groups to display our conference banners on their web sites. If you send me the link to your user group site with our O'Reilly Open Source Convention banner, I will send you the O'Reilly book of your choice. OSCON Conference Banners: http://ug.oreilly.com/banners/oscon2003/ ================================================ Safari News ================================================ ***"Go On Safari" Tip of the Week Winner--Michael J. Ross, San Diego Oracle Users Group "One advantage that Safari has over newsgroups is the higher quality of source code. Developers can better rely upon sample code from technical books tested by professional reviewers and countless readers, and supplemented with more extensive explanations and errata--as opposed to code culled from thrice-borrowed scripts, and usually presented with insufficient context." Your group can also participate in this introductory program just for user group members. To "Go on Safari," any of your members who sign up for our Safari 14-day free trial send comments on their experiences, or tips and tricks for how they used Safari (it only needs to be 2 sentences long, but it may be longer) to safari_talk@oreilly.com. Every week someone will be chosen from the tips or comments submitted to receive fun stuff from O'Reilly (T-shirts, book bags, or other surprises). If a member of your user group is selected, your group receives free gifts, too. Whatever the individual member receives, your UG will get one, too, to give away at your next meeting, or use however you see fit. Recipients--and their comments--will be announced in the User Group Newsletter. **Please use this special UG URL to sign up for the 14-day trial** http://www.oreilly.com/safari/ug For more information on Safari: http://safari.oreilly.com/ ================================================ News From O'Reilly & Beyond ================================================ --------------------- General News --------------------- ***The Next Revolution: Smart Mobs What do you get when you mix together millions of cell phones and P2P-enabled computers with wireless Internet floating in the air and users reviewing products, sellers, and each other? Smart mobs. That's what Howard Rheingold, a keynoter at O'Reilly's upcoming Emerging Technology Conference, calls these folks. Read what he has to say about this third computing revolution. http://www.openp2p.com/pub/a/p2p/2003/03/13/howard.html For more info on the O'Reilly Emerging Technology Conference: http://conferences.oreilly.com/etcon/ ***What does Linux have to do with Dickens? Tim O'Reilly's weblog from Sunday, March 16, 2003. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/wlg/2911 ***Interview with Rael Dornfest Listen to Minnesota Public Radio's "Future Tense" interview with Rael Dornfest and learn about some of Google's lesser-known search techniques. Just click on the link beside "Google Hacks." Rael is a coauthor of O'Reilly's recently released "Google Hacks." http://news.mpr.org/programs/futuretense/ Google Hacks Order Number: 4478 http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/googlehks/ ***Official O'Reilly Gear at ThinkGeek For years, our customers have asked us to make and sell various items with our animals on them. We are pleased and proud to present our first collection of official OReilly animal swag. For a limited time only, order any O'Reilly t-shirt, babydoll tee, or child's t-shirt/creeper, and get a free O'Reilly 2003 Calendar. For every shirt you buy, ThinkGeek will give you a free calendar. www.thinkgeek.com/oreilly. --------------------- Open Source --------------------- ***Hackers Meet Soldiers OpenBSD has a well-deserved reputation for fanatical security. Why is the U.S. military funding it? What do you get out of it? Cameron Laird and George Peter Staplin investigate. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/bsd/2003/03/13/darpabsd.html ***Egoboo: The Cute Way to Dungeon Role Play Dungeon crawls are as popular among the computer RPG crowd as first person shooters are among the action crowd. In the open source world, Egoboo is perhaps the cutest and most accessible RPG. Howard Wen examines the project, its history, and its future. http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2003/03/13/egoboo.html --------------------- XML --------------------- ***The XML.com Interview: Eric Meyer Russell Dyer talks to Eric Meyer, invited expert to the W3C's CSS Working Group, and author of "Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide." http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2003/03/12/meyer.html Cascading Style Sheets: The Definitive Guide Order Number: 6226 http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/css/ --------------------- Java --------------------- ***Making Java Objects Comparable Sometimes how objects relate to each other is as important as the existence of the objects. There's no single way to compare them--a person might be sorted by age, name, or position in a queue. In this article, Budi Kurniawan demonstrates how to make your objects comparable and sortable with java.util.Comparator and java.lang.Comparable. http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/03/12/java_comp.html ***Detecting Duplicate Code with PMD's CPD Code reuse has been a grail for years. Why, then, is there still so much copying and pasting going on? Tom Copeland introduces CPD, the Copy/Paste Detector, which can identify large swaths of duplicate Java code. http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2003/03/12/pmd_cpd.html --------------------- .NET --------------------- ***Configuration Handlers in .NET In the shiny new world of .NET-based applications with xcopy deployment and smart clients, we can no longer use the registry to hold application configuration information. Instead, we're supposed to use XML-based configuration files accessed via the CLR's pluggable configuration framework. In this article by Ben Lowery, he explains how this all works. http://www.ondotnet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2003/01/01/configsections.html ***Build Hyperlinks into Your Client App with the Windows Forms LinkLabel Control Writing for MSDN, Dan Hurwitz discusses the flexibility of the LinkLabel control in the .NET Framework, its properties, built-in behaviors, and their use in VB.NET and C#. http://msdn.microsoft.com/msdnmag/issues/03/02/LinkLabel/default.aspx Dan is a coauthor of "Programming ASP.NET." Order Number: 1711 http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/progaspdotnet/index.html --------------------- Mac --------------------- ***Hands on X11 The imprementation of X11 for Mac OS X includes a window server, libraries, and basic utilities such as xterm. In this article, Dan Benjamin shows you how to install and use the latest beta offered by Apple. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/03/14/install_x11.html ***Apple Releases Java 1.4.1 for Mac OS X Apple takes Java to the next level with the latest release of the Java 2 Platform, Standard Edition, version 1.4.1 for Mac OS X. It includes 60 percent more features than 1.3.1. Daniel Steinberg brings you up to speed. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/03/10/osx_java.html Until next time-- Marsee -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 17 20:06:47 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Delivery Status Notification (Delay) Message-ID: This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. 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Tuesday, April 8th, 6:00 to 8:00 pm Tuesday, May 13th, 6:00 to 8:00 pm Dunn Bros Freighthouse 201 3rd Ave Minneapolis 612.692.8520 Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt (thanks Joel) Recaps of prior meetings will be available shortly, as soon as I can type them up! -- Ben Nelson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030317/62c6a7ed/attachment.html From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Fri Mar 21 17:00:08 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 1 tcwug-list admin request(s) waiting Message-ID: <20030321230008.5863.41075.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> The tcwug-list@tcwug.org mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tcwug-list Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. 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Message sender: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org Message recipients: tcwug-list@tcwug.org, wireless@tc-unwired.net Message subject: "[TCWUG] administravia: Newsletter from O'Reilly UG Program, March 18" Incident time: Wed Mar 19 12:24:28 2003 CONTENT FILTER: The type of filter - either Antivirus Filter, Advanced Content Filter, Message Size Filter, etc. From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Thu Mar 20 16:29:18 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:19 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] FW: [tcwug-web] TCWUG Website Message-ID: <96BD8E8E8B769D42A96765B332D74BF503472A82@fmsgsc55mnmsp04.wellsfargo.com> I have recently purchased a pocket PC iPaq from HP. I want to know as to > how can you send a document to the printer from PC Word that ipaq has. > > I will highly appreciate if some one can provide me a solution. > -----Original Message----- From: Rick Tanner [mailto:leaf@real-time.com] Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 4:19 PM To: Ravi.Kumar@WellsFargo.COM Subject: Re: [tcwug-web] TCWUG Website Hello, Please send wireless related questions to the TCWUG mailing list (tcwug-list@tcwug.org) for a more thorough response. Thanks! On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Ravi.Kumar@WellsFargo.COM wrote: > I have recently purchased a pocket PC iPaq from HP. I want to know as to > how can you send a document to the printer from PC Word that ipaq has. > > I will highly appreciate if some one can provide me a solution. > > Thanks, > > Ravi Kumar > ravi.kumar@wellsfargo.com > > -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Wed Mar 19 21:20:01 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:20 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] tcwug-list post from mellswor@well.com requires approval Message-ID: <20030320032001.14847.72894.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tcwug-list@tcwug.org From: mellswor@well.com Subject: RE: [TCWUG] No wireless in Dulles?! Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tcwug-list to approve or deny the request. From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Wed Mar 19 14:12:54 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:21 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] No wireless in Dulles?! In-Reply-To: <20030319183122.GA44388@botwerks.org> References: <20030319183122.GA44388@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <28138.209.98.143.114.1048104774.squirrel@webmail.nerp.net> Salt Lake (SLC), Ontario (ONT) and Sacramento (SAC) do not have wireless. Hope this doesn't turn into a list of every airport in the US :) Sorry just thought I'd chime in with my recent experience. -- Dan Willenbring www.omitted.net dan@omitted.net > > ahh the travelers dilemma - it's easier to compile a list of airports > which do have it. some airports which you would think *must* have it, > just don't and it's a royal PITA. > > if you're a frequent traveller there are some tools that you should > avail yourself of if you like speedy Internet access. > > http://www.geektools.com/geektels > - their tools are hacks but the hotel list is great > > http://www.wayport.com <- hotels/airports these folks also bought > laptop lane > http://www.tmobile.net <- starbucks > > here's my list of airports that i frequent that have it & those that > don't. if anyone can fill in my *nots* with updates i know i'd really > appreciate it. > > haves nots > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > msp (Qpass) ord > den (at&t) mdw (rumored to now) > aus (wayport) lit > dfw (t-mobile - w/roaming) cdg > sfo (various - patchy) ams > sjc (wayport & admirals club) iad > sea (various) dca > lhr (various) bos > jfk (various) las > lax > rdu > > when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, Mar 19, 2003), > natecars@real-time.com was madly tapping out: >> Geez, I'm shocked.. looks like Dulles doesn't have any 802.11b >> access. I figured since MSP has it, Dulles would *have* to! :) >> >> Ah well.. that's what my cell phone's for. >> > > -- > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Wed Mar 19 14:14:08 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:21 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303191515.04PcXAUa15126@omr-m07.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from dan@omitted.net: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 25 12:22:38 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:22 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] New Registration Message-ID: Hi I am Akash Malhotra a graduate student in Electrical Engineering Dept at University of Minnesota. I am interested in Wireless LAN technologies. Can I Attend today's meeting? -Akash ------------------------------------------------------------------------------_ Akash Malhotra MEnet EMAIL: PHONE: akash@me.umn.edu Off: (612)626-9800 akash@ece.umn.edu Mob: (612)251-4393 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Wed Mar 26 02:59:01 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:22 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] tcwug-list post from alexismielcarz@anfmail.com requires approval Message-ID: <20030326085901.29630.11427.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tcwug-list@tcwug.org From: alexismielcarz@anfmail.com Subject: Earn Large With Our Simple Online Gaming EJLas8jG05g Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tcwug-list to approve or deny the request. From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 25 13:04:44 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:23 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] New Registration In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000401c2f301$65b0aef0$3d01a8c0@azimmer.com> Anyone can attend the TCWUG meetings. Tonight's meeting will primarily focus on setting up TCWUG as a non-profit organization. The meeting on April 8th is probably the meeting that you are looking for. Thanks for your interest and hope to see you there. -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of Akash Malhotra Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 12:23 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] New Registration Hi I am Akash Malhotra a graduate student in Electrical Engineering Dept at University of Minnesota. I am interested in Wireless LAN technologies. Can I Attend today's meeting? -Akash ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --_ Akash Malhotra MEnet EMAIL: PHONE: akash@me.umn.edu Off: (612)626-9800 akash@ece.umn.edu Mob: (612)251-4393 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 25 12:28:43 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:23 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] New Registration In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey there, On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Akash Malhotra wrote: > I am interested in Wireless LAN technologies. > Can I Attend today's meeting? Well, you see, ANYone can wander in off the street and claim to be "interested" in "Wireless LAN technologies." What proof do you have? -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Fri Mar 21 16:34:09 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:23 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Wireless Loring Park and Mears Park in the PiPress Message-ID: <2381E43D6A81004690B2E9C22792540E0134A1B0@rachmaninov.omnidelta.com> Hey all, Julio Ojeda-Zapata, tech editor at the Pioneer Press, got wind of the Wireless Loring Park idea and called me yesterday. Here's the piece he wrote. It ran on the front page of the business section of today's PiPress: http://www.twincities.com/mld/pioneerpress/5442980.htm cheers, leif _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Sat Mar 22 19:06:50 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:23 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Another Hotspot list In-Reply-To: <20030320180002.6991.78354.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> Message-ID: <000001c2f0d8$7c1d4390$37a8a8c0@schoeneck> Have you guys seen the list at http://www.makewirelesswork.com/ You have to sign-up to receive their list of hotspots but they say that they don't sell their mailing lists and I haven't seen an increase in spam. After you sign up the send you the list in numerous formats MS Excel, .CSV, XML, etc. The list has 2720 hotspots and numerous airports. Rick Schoeneck _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Wed Mar 19 11:57:27 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:24 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] No wireless in Dulles?! Message-ID: Geez, I'm shocked.. looks like Dulles doesn't have any 802.11b access. I figured since MSP has it, Dulles would *have* to! :) Ah well.. that's what my cell phone's for. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Thu Mar 20 16:54:01 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] tcwug-list post from ravi.kumar@wellsfargo.com requires approval Message-ID: <20030320225401.18381.52696.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tcwug-list@tcwug.org From: ravi.kumar@wellsfargo.com Subject: FW: [tcwug-web] TCWUG Website Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tcwug-list to approve or deny the request. From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 17 17:15:01 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] tcwug-list post from ben@mnfilm.org requires approval Message-ID: <20030317231501.32702.79795.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tcwug-list@tcwug.org From: ben@mnfilm.org Subject: Organizing committee meeting 3/25 Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tcwug-list to approve or deny the request. From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Sat Mar 15 00:26:41 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303150128.01BvPZAa14912@omr-m07.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from poptix@techmonkeys.org: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 17 16:24:15 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] how'd the meeting go? Message-ID: <20030317222415.GC17507@botwerks.org> all- so i wasn't able to make the meeting last week @ the dunn bros. are there any notes or comments that folks had from the meeting? inquiring minds want to know. ... -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 18 07:42:57 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Delivery Status Notification (Delay) Message-ID: This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. 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URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030312/627b0e4c/attachment.htm From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Sat Mar 15 00:23:59 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] (2) Changes to Map page's Node data... & Re: Returned mail: see transcript for details In-Reply-To: <002201c2ea30$d03a32c0$0200000a@iaxs.net> References: <200303140604.h2E64YB28215@minerva.iaxs.net> <002201c2ea30$d03a32c0$0200000a@iaxs.net> Message-ID: <20030315062359.GJ32189@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Mar 14, 2003 at 07:51:24AM -0600, Becky Lynn Pihl wrote: > Dear List Adminstrator and/or TCWUG-ers: Howdy! I'm the person responsible for maps.tcwug.org (although not www.tcwug.org) > On that page, I added a point for our current address of 1510-Arlington Ave. E., St. Paul, MN 55106-1404; labeled: "tomah". Its > approximate Lat. & Lon. are as follows: > Decimal Degrees Deg:Min:Sec > Lat: 44.984858 44:59:5.489N > Lon: -093.036744 93:02:12.278W > > ** As we will be moving soon, would you please DELETE this reference? I've deleted it. > We will soon be moving to: > 3151 - 36th Ave. S. > Minneapolis, MN 55406-2126 You can add this with your new email address at your convenience. Feel free to email me directly with any problems related to the maps website. Have a nice day. > Leif O. Pihl > -------------------- > > ========================= > Please Note: > Our E-mail address has changed to: "becky@pihl.us". > (Please change any Address Book entries that had the old: "becky@pihl.cc".) > ---------- > Also, as of Feb. 2003, "leif@pihl.us" is STILL not active. > ========================= -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 18 13:17:46 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: [wireless] how'd the meeting go? In-Reply-To: <20030317222415.GC17507@botwerks.org>; from sulrich@botwerks.org on Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 04:24:15PM -0600 References: <20030317222415.GC17507@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20030318131746.B10366@hexapodia.org> On Mon, Mar 17, 2003 at 04:24:15PM -0600, steve ulrich wrote: > so i wasn't able to make the meeting last week @ the dunn bros. are > there any notes or comments that folks had from the meeting? > inquiring minds want to know. ... I didn't take notes, so this is from my fuzzy recollection. We took over the "meeting room" area upstairs. There were about 15-20 people present; the space was almost sufficient but it was a little tight. The big presentation was by Sue (sorry if I get names wrong), who works as accountant for "Twin Cities RISE!", a local non-profit. She talked for about 20 minutes about the process of becoming a 501(c)3 non-profit organization, and handed out a bunch of informative paper including pointers to the state and federal paperwork and a checklist from a California non-profit that is designed to help organizations figure out if 501(c)3 is right for them, and to navigate the treacherous shoals of the IRS and state Dept of Commerce. If you're interested in this material, attend the Organizational Meeting next week. There was also some discussion about other ways to provide a formal organization without going all the way to independent 501(c)3 status. One of the local radio clubs, TCFreenet, and the Walker were all suggested as possible "umbrella organizations", to varying levels of enthusiasm from around the room. The general feel I got was that it *is* important that the group find *some* sort of formal organization, as this reduces individual liability, enables companies to donate to "the group" rather than just giving gear to individuals, etc. (I'm sure I'm missing other important points.) Leif Utne presented some information about his proposed plan to create a "Wireless Loring Park". This project could involve neighborhood geeks, businesses facing the park (including Utne Magazine, Joe's Garage and other restaurants, and the Walker Museum, among others), the city Park Department, etc. Leif has put out some initial feelers to the Walker and to City Hall and has gotten some good responses. Mike Horwath also expressed interest in providing rack space and bandwidth if that turns out to be necessary. I am quite sure that I'm forgetting some of the other important discussion that went on, but that's all I remember at the moment. (On a personal technology note, at the meeting, I managed to get OpenBSD 3.3-current to initialize my Linksys WPC11 on my Vaio R505TE for the first time. The magic incantation is "pcic0 at 0xcc000 size 0xc000", apparently. No more FreeBSD for me!) -andy _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Thu Mar 20 22:10:57 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303202319.03XDJSKa04955@omr-d05.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from earl@jarosh.org: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 17 17:09:01 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] tcwug-list post from ben@mnfilm.org requires approval Message-ID: <20030317230901.32588.11948.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tcwug-list@tcwug.org From: ben@mnfilm.org Subject: Future meetings Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tcwug-list to approve or deny the request. From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Wed Mar 12 11:04:00 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] tcwug-list post from ldelpino@zonamerica.com requires approval Message-ID: <20030312170400.339.89291.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tcwug-list@tcwug.org From: ldelpino@zonamerica.com Subject: help with interface wlan0 Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tcwug-list to approve or deny the request. From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 11 15:57:01 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting tonight! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <200303111557.01561@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> On Tuesday 11 March 2003 10:11 am, Ben Nelson wrote: > I sent an announcement out on February 18 to both lists (tc-unwired and > TCWUG) and it's posted on the front page of both www.tcwug.org and > www.tc-unwired.net. > > For the latest info about meetings, etc, check either/both of these sites. > It's usually there, along with maps, etc. Feb 18th? :-) Such a long time ago that I forgot! -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Thu Mar 20 17:00:07 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 1 tcwug-list admin request(s) waiting Message-ID: <20030320230007.18476.69003.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> The tcwug-list@tcwug.org mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tcwug-list Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. Pending posts: From: ravi.kumar@wellsfargo.com on Thu Mar 20 16:54:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Thu Mar 20 22:08:32 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cisco to Acquire Linksys? References: <000601c2ef12$2cb6c320$780b0a0a@SECURITY> Message-ID: <002701c2ef5f$8bbdf990$6701a8c0@D32B5L01> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joel R. Helgeson" >To: "TCWUG" >Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 12:54 PM >Subject: [TCWUG] Cisco to Acquire Linksys? >Cisco, entering into the consumer grade AP market. THE ABOVE STATEMENT IS AN OXYMORON ONTO ITSELF! >It's all right here: >http://boston.com/dailynews/079/economy/Cisco_to_acquire_home_networki%3 >A.shtml >Finally Cisco is going to get some strength behind their networking >products! ;-) THIS ABOVE STATEMENT IS AN OXYMORON OF THE ABOVE OXYMORON!! Why would Cisco do this? This is not a smart business move nor a good fit. The two corporate cultures will clash. Cisco is the epitome of elitism and Linksys is the epitome of white trash and Cisco will treat Linksys that way. Cisco is a think it out, plan it out, do it right the first time with great hands on support. Linksys is a throw it out there fast as you can low buck see if it works fix it later kind of entrepreneurial company. Both have their place and both do very well in their respective areas. Mark my words, Cisco will cut 1/3 of the Linksys workforce per year until they are down to 25-45 employees in the Linksys division. The only ones that this deal will be good for is the current private holders of Linksys that will get the stock swap from Cisco as payment for Linksys and Microsoft, who will see a major low end Wireless competitor go off the market. Oh Well!!!!! S. Earl Jarosh N0HZ (ex. KA0VYB) 612-868-1313 Money Centers of America Director of Information Technology earl@jarosh.org earljarosh@moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Fri Mar 14 07:51:24 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:26 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] (2) Changes to Map page's Node data... & Re: Returned mail: see transcript for details References: <200303140604.h2E64YB28215@minerva.iaxs.net> Message-ID: <002201c2ea30$d03a32c0$0200000a@iaxs.net> Dear List Adminstrator and/or TCWUG-ers: My appologies if the content of this E-mail is not appropriate for the List Server (tcwug-list@tcwug.org), however I do not know where else to turn. I wanted to send ONE e-mail to the groups webmaster, but... * The address of appears to NOT be active. * I thought you should know, so that any necessary corrective steps could be taken. With that said, I'm pasting in below the contents of the ORIGINAL E-mail that I sent: -------------------- I've long ago lost track of the UN & PW for the http://maps.tcwug.org/ map page. On that page, I added a point for our current address of 1510-Arlington Ave. E., St. Paul, MN 55106-1404; labeled: "tomah". Its approximate Lat. & Lon. are as follows: Decimal Degrees Deg:Min:Sec Lat: 44.984858 44:59:5.489N Lon: -093.036744 93:02:12.278W ** As we will be moving soon, would you please DELETE this reference? ----- We will soon be moving to: 3151 - 36th Ave. S. Minneapolis, MN 55406-2126 This addresses approximate location is: Decimal Degrees Deg:Min:Sec Lat: 44.945775 44:56:44.790N Lon: -093.220197 93:13:12.709W * If you would like to add this one, or change the node referenced above to be at this location, feel free to do so. However, I do need to mention that both nodes are supposed to be of the "Planned" type; neither one is (or is supposed to be) "Active". ----- Sincerely yours, Leif O. Pihl -------------------- ========================= Please Note: Our E-mail address has changed to: "becky@pihl.us". (Please change any Address Book entries that had the old: "becky@pihl.cc".) ---------- Also, as of Feb. 2003, "leif@pihl.us" is STILL not active. ========================= ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mail Delivery Subsystem" To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:04 AM Subject: Returned mail: see transcript for details > The original message was received at Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:04:30 -0600 (CST) > from leif-2.static.iaxs.net [209.134.150.154] > > ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- > > (reason: 550 unknown user) > > ----- Transcript of session follows ----- > ... while talking to pirate.real-time.com.: > >>> RCPT To: > <<< 550 unknown user > 550 5.1.1 ... User unknown > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 17 20:06:47 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Delivery Status Notification (Delay) Message-ID: This is an automatically generated Delivery Status Notification. THIS IS A WARNING MESSAGE ONLY. YOU DO NOT NEED TO RESEND YOUR MESSAGE. Delivery to the following recipients has been delayed. madisong@uwstout.edu -------------- next part -------------- Skipped content of type message/delivery-status-------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... From: Ben Nelson Subject: [TCWUG] Organizing committee meeting 3/25 Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 16:50:10 -0600 Size: 4301 Url: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030317/333ac22b/attachment.mht From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 11 09:45:02 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] tcwug-list post from ben@mnfilm.org requires approval Message-ID: <20030311154502.4293.70773.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tcwug-list@tcwug.org From: ben@mnfilm.org Subject: Meeting tonight! Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tcwug-list to approve or deny the request. From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Wed Mar 12 10:46:22 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] help with interface wlan0 Message-ID: <5DF07EA66705CE41918A01FB893C14BC3B249C@epostza.zonamerica.com> Hmm, I'm using Red Hat 7.2 Kernel 2.4.19 Wlan-ng 0.1.16-pre8 pcmcia-cs-3.2.3 I'm using an adaptor for the PCMCIA (i0'm using my desktop) hmmm i get the car to work, i get to two beeps when i start it ... but I0ve been trying for 3 weeks to get the wlan0 interface up, and i cant If i do: ifconfig wlan0 up i get this error: SIOCSIFFLAGS: not such device I have this modules (lsmod): prism2_cs p80211 ds i82365 pcmcia_core Hmmmm, could anyone help me a little bit so i can get my wireless workin again? (I forgot to mention, I did have it working a couple of weeks ago, until i screwed up something and i had to re install linux ... ) Thanks a lot Saludos Laura dP. Network Admin. 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In-Reply-To: <200303111001.15165@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: I sent an announcement out on February 18 to both lists (tc-unwired and TCWUG) and it's posted on the front page of both www.tcwug.org and www.tc-unwired.net. For the latest info about meetings, etc, check either/both of these sites. It's usually there, along with maps, etc. -- Ben Nelson 612.685.9116 cell benmgroup@earthlink.net > From: Bob Tanner > Organization: Real Time Enterprises, Inc. > Reply-To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:01:15 -0600 > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Meeting tonight! > > On Tuesday 11 March 2003 09:21 am, Ben Nelson wrote: >> Reminder: >> TCWUG meeting tonight. >> Tuesday, March 11 >> 6:00 pm to 8:00 pm > > Could we have a little more then 8.5 hours notice for meetings? :-) Or did I > miss the previous announcement? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 10 10:44:20 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:27 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303101146.03LvCSHa14321@omr-d03.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from earl@jarosh.org: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 10 10:42:51 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] ping Message-ID: <002b01c2e724$17de9fe0$6701a8c0@D32B5L01> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: S. Earl Jarosh.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 755 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030310/34bb6e79/S.EarlJarosh.vcf From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 16:39:57 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar (Scott Dier - dieman) - Coon Rapids experiment In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Mustafa Siddiqui wrote: > Scott: > > I live east of Hwy 10, one block east of Egret (corner of University Ave. > and Northdale).? I am willing to experiment and mount such an antenna on > my roof.? I am not a techie person to construct the antenna but could > financially contribute towards purchase of one.? I am also willing to put > in the required time and effort if you are game! > This is actually great, I'm thinking of making up a biquad antenna first (some of the primestar dish users use them to feed their dishes) and see how it works standalone. The real hard part is making sure that even if I can get roof ok-ed with either a primestar (theres *tons* of DBS antennas on the roofs, I don't see why another one is going to be out of the question. ) or a biquad (its small, I might be able to hide it or convince the townhome board that its not a scary device. its not like I'm going to be putting up a huge HF antenna, and I've been amazingly keeping my 2m antenna indoors because it gets enough range right now for my uses :P). It would be cool if someday there is an overlay net going after enough people start experimenting to have an omni up at some of these 'high-density' housing areas to allow others nearby to attach to the network in that area. The hard part is convincing non-techies that this could be really cool. Perhaps it would be neat if we could setup some infrastructure and configured software so someone could easily put a machine at home on the network and setup some sort of vpn software so they could tunnel from a laptop or otherwise back out through their internet connection or get to their machines. Or heck, even a cheap linux box with a client card that can have an external antenna. Downside, really, is linux box is 'hard' to non-techies if its not 'dead simple' to configure. I do think, however, that users would start showing up in some way if they are able to reach their machines at home via a user supported network of some sort from specific places. Getting there is hard. :| -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 18:54:16 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:28 2005 Subject: [wireless] Re: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar-sort of long References: <2361.66.41.8.133.1046712315.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> <20030303145511.A18235@florence.linkmargin.com> Message-ID: <004d01c2e1e8$9744b580$6701a8c0@D32B5L01> I don't think that Chris stands corrected!! I think the Mr. Pozner made some errors in his reading and interpretation of the code and left out important information in his technical paper. First, Sec 15.201 specifically deals with the certification of Carrier Current Systems which does not apply to 802.11. Sec 15.203 deals with non-removable antennas (baby monitors, phones) but makes exception for Carrier Current Systems and other intentional radiators which must be measured in accordance with Sec 15.31(d). Mr Pozner's concentration on point (c) of sec 15.204 was a misrepresentation of that section as set forth by the sectional premise Here is the Kicker. None of the above matters because it is ALL superceded by the specific allowances set forth in Sec 15.247 and 15.249 with regards to operation within the bands 902-928 MHz, 2400-2483.5 MHz, and 5725-5850 MHz. In this case an antenna just needs to meet the technical requirements. I have included below the aboved referenced items. :-) For those of you that like to read go to: http://www.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/cfrassemble.cgi?title=199947 Better than a glass of warm milk to put you to sleep. S. Earl Jarosh (ex. Steve?) N0HZ (ex. KA0VYB) No Hertz, No Gain 612-868-1313 earl@jarosh.org earljarosh@moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com > Chris Cox wrote: > > Well, I stand corrected! I was sure that I had read somewhere that using > > gain antennae was fine, as long as you reduced the TX power by 1dB for > > each 3dB of gain added. Perhaps that only applies though if you're using > > an antenna supplied by the manufacturer of the equipment. > Andy Warner wrote: > I think Matthew's point was FCC part 15 certification, or > lack thereof in anything modified after purchase (where > modification can be interpreted as adding a 3rd party > antenna) - which is a rat-hole I don't intend to get sucked > down. Correct me if I'm wrong, Matthew. TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION PART 15--RADIO FREQUENCY DEVICES--Table of Contents Subpart C--Intentional Radiators Sec. 15.203 Antenna requirement. An intentional radiator shall be designed to ensure that no antenna other than that furnished by the responsible party shall be used with the device. The use of a permanently attached antenna or of an antenna that uses a unique coupling to the intentional radiator shall be considered sufficient to comply with the provisions of this section. The manufacturer may design the unit so that a broken antenna can be replaced by the user, but the use of a standard antenna jack or electrical connector is prohibited. This requirement does not apply to carrier current [[Page 693]] devices or to devices operated under the provisions of Sec. 15.211, Sec. 15.213, Sec. 15.217, Sec. 15.219, or Sec. 15.221. Further, this requirement does not apply to intentional radiators that must be professionally installed, such as perimeter protection systems and some field disturbance sensors, or to other intentional radiators which, in accordance with Sec. 15.31(d), must be measured at the installation site. However, the installer shall be responsible for ensuring that the proper antenna is employed so that the limits in this part are not exceeded. [54 FR 17714, Apr. 25, 1989, as amended at 55 FR 28762, July 13, 1990] TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION PART 15--RADIO FREQUENCY DEVICES--Table of Contents Subpart C--Intentional Radiators Sec. 15.204 External radio frequency power amplifiers and antenna modifications. (a) Except as otherwise described in paragraph (b) of this section, no person shall use, manufacture, sell or lease, offer for sale or lease (including advertising for sale or lease), or import, ship, or distribute for the purpose of selling or leasing, any external radio frequency power amplifier or amplifier kit intended for use with a Part 15 intentional radiator. (b) A transmission system consisting of an intentional radiator, an external radio frequency power amplifier, and an antenna, may be authorized, marketed and used under this part. However, when a transmission system is authorized as a system, it must always be marketed as a complete system and must always be used in the configuration in which it was authorized. An external radio frequency power amplifier shall be marketed only in the system configuration with which the amplifier is authorized and shall not be marketed as a separate product. (c) Only the antenna with which an intentional radiator is authorized may be used with the intentional radiator. [62 FR 26242, May 13, 1997] TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION PART 15--RADIO FREQUENCY DEVICES--Table of Contents Subpart D--Unlicensed Personal Communications Service Devices Sec. 15.319 General technical requirements. (a) The 1910-1920 MHz and 2390-2400 MHz bands are limited to use by asynchronous devices under the requirements of Sec. 15.321. The 1920- 1930 MHz sub-band is limited to use by isochronous devices under the requirements of Sec. 15.323. (b) All transmissions must use only digital modulation techniques. (c) Peak transmit power shall not exceed 100 microwatts multiplied by the square root of the emission bandwidth in hertz. Peak transmit power must be measured over any interval of continuous transmission using instrumentation calibrated in terms of an rms-equivalent voltage. The measurement results shall be properly adjusted for any instrument limitations, such as detector response times, limited resolution bandwidth capability when compared to the emission bandwidth, sensitivity, etc., so as to obtain a true peak measurement for the emission in question over the full bandwidth of the channel. (d) Power spectral density shall not exceed 3 milliwatts in any 3 kHz bandwidth as measured with a spectrum analyzer having a resolution bandwidth of 3 kHz. (e) The peak transmit power shall be reduced by the amount in decibels that [[Page 714]] the maximum directional gain of the antenna exceeds 3 dBi. (f) The device shall automatically discontinue transmission in case of either absence of information to transmit or operational failure. The provisions in this section are not intended to preclude transmission of control and signaling information or use of repetitive codes used by certain digital technologies to complete frame or burst intervals. (g) Notwithstanding other technical requirements specified in this subpart, attenuation of emissions below the general emission limits in Sec. 15.209 is not required. (h) Where there is a transition between limits, the tighter limit shall apply at the transition point. (i) Unlicensed PCS devices are subject to the radiofrequency radiation exposure requirements specified in Secs. 1.1307(b), 2.1091 and 2.1093 of this chapter, as appropriate. All equipment shall be considered to operate in a ``general population/uncontrolled'' environment. Applications for equipment authorization of devices operating under this section must contain a statement confirming compliance with these requirements for both fundamental emissions and unwanted emissions. Technical information showing the basis for this statement must be submitted to the Commission upon request. [58 FR 59180, Nov. 8, 1993, as amended at 59 FR 32852, June 24, 1994; 59 FR 40835, Aug. 10, 1994; 60 FR 13073, Mar. 10, 1995; 61 FR 41018, Aug. 7, 1996] [Page 705-707] TITLE 47--TELECOMMUNICATION CHAPTER I--FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION PART 15--RADIO FREQUENCY DEVICES--Table of Contents Subpart C--Intentional Radiators Sec. 15.247 Operation within the bands 902-928 MHz, 2400-2483.5 MHz, and 5725-5850 MHz. (a) Operation under the provisions of this section is limited to frequency hopping and direct sequence spread spectrum intentional radiators that comply with the following provisions: (1) Frequency hopping systems shall have hopping channel carrier frequencies separated by a minimum of 25 kHz or the 20 dB bandwidth of the hopping channel, whichever is greater. The system shall hop to channel frequencies that are selected at the system hopping rate from a pseudorandomly ordered list of hopping frequencies. Each frequency must be used equally on the average by each transmitter. The system receivers shall have input bandwidths that match the hopping channel bandwidths of their corresponding transmitters and shall shift frequencies in synchronization with the transmitted signals. (i) For frequency hopping systems operating in the 902-928 MHz band: if the 20 dB bandwidth of the hopping channel is less than 250 kHz, the system shall use at least 50 hopping frequencies and the average time of occupancy on any frequency shall not be greater than 0.4 seconds within a 20 second period; if the 20 dB bandwidth of the hopping channel is 250 kHz or greater, the system shall use at least 25 hopping frequencies and the average time of occupancy on any frequency shall not be greater than 0.4 seconds within a 10 second period. The maximum allowed 20 dB bandwidth of the hopping channel is 500 kHz. [[Page 706]] (ii) Frequency hopping systems operating in the 2400-2483.5 MHz and 5725-5850 MHz bands shall use at least 75 hopping frequencies. The maximum 20 dB bandwidth of the hopping channel is 1 MHz. The average time of occupancy on any frequency shall not be greater than 0.4 seconds within a 30 second period. (2) For direct sequence systems, the minimum 6 dB bandwidth shall be at least 500 kHz. (b) The maximum peak output power of the intentional radiator shall not exceed the following: (1) For frequency hopping systems operating in the 2400-2483.5 MHz or 5725-5850 MHz band and for all direct sequence systems: 1 watt. (2) For frequency hopping systems operating in the 902-928 MHz band: 1 watt for systems employing at least 50 hopping channels; and, 0.25 watts for systems employing less than 50 hopping channels, but at least 25 hopping channels, as permitted under paragraph (a)(1)(i) of this section. (3) Except as shown in paragraphs (b)(3) (i), (ii) and (iii) of this section, if transmitting antennas of directional gain greater than 6 dBi are used the peak output power from the intentional radiator shall be reduced below the stated values in paragraphs (b)(1) or (b)(2) of this section, as appropriate, by the amount in dB that the directional gain of the antenna exceeds 6 dBi. (i) Systems operating in the 2400-2483.5 MHz band that are used exclusively for fixed, point-to-point operations may employ transmitting antennas with directional gain greater than 6 dBi provided the maximum peak output power of the intentional radiator is reduced by 1 dB for every 3 dB that the directional gain of the antenna exceeds 6 dBi. (ii) Systems operating in the 5725-5850 MHz band that are used exclusively for fixed, point-to-point operations may employ transmitting antennas with directional gain greater than 6 dBi without any corresponding reduction in transmitter peak output power. (iii) Fixed, point-to-point operation, as used in paragraphs (b)(3)(i) and (b)(3)(ii) of this section, excludes the use of point-to- multipoint systems, omnidirectional applications, and multiple co- located intentional radiators transmitting the same information. The operator of the spread spectrum intentional radiator or, if the equipment is professionally installed, the installer is responsible for ensuring that the system is used exclusively for fixed, point-to-point operations. The instruction manual furnished with the intentional radiator shall contain language in the installation instructions informing the operator and the installer of this responsibility. (4) Systems operating under the provisions of this section shall be operated in a manner that ensures that the public is not exposed to radio frequency energy levels in excess of the Commission's guidelines. See Sec. 1.1307(b)(1) of this chapter. (c) In any 100 kHz bandwidth outside the frequency band in which the spread spectrum intentional radiator is operating, the radio frequency power that is produced by the intentional radiator shall be at least 20 dB below that in the 100 kHz bandwidth within the band that contains the highest level of the desired power, based on either an RF conducted or a radiated measurement. Attenuation below the general limits specified in Sec. 15.209(a) is not required. In addition, radiated emissions which fall in the restricted bands, as defined in Sec. 15.205(a), must also comply with the radiated emission limits specified in Sec. 15.209(a) (see Sec. 15.205(c)). (d) For direct sequence systems, the peak power spectral density conducted from the intentional radiator to the antenna shall not be greater than 8 dBm in any 3 kHz band during any time interval of continuous transmission. (e) The processing gain of a direct sequence system shall be at least 10 dB. The processing gain represents the improvement to the received signal-to-noise ratio, after filtering to the information bandwidth, from the spreading/despreading function. The processing gain may be determined using one of the following methods: (1) As measured at the demodulated output of the receiver: the ratio in dB of the signal-to-noise ratio with the system spreading code turned off to the [[Page 707]] signal-to-noise ratio with the system spreading code turned on. (2) As measured using the CW jamming margin method: a signal generator is stepped in 50 kHz increments across the passband of the system, recording at each point the generator level required to produce the recommended Bit Error Rate (BER). This level is the jammer level. The output power of the intentional radiator is measured at the same point. The jammer to signal ratio (J/S) is then calculated, discarding the worst 20% of the J/S data points. The lowest remaining J/S ratio is used to calculate the processing gain, as follows: Gp = (S/N) o + Mj + Lsys, where Gp = processing gain of the system, (S/N) o = signal to noise ratio required for the chosen BER, Mj = J/S ratio, and Lsys = system losses. Note that total losses in a system, including intentional radiator and receiver, should be assumed to be no more than 2 dB. (f) Hybrid systems that employ a combination of both direct sequence and frequency hopping modulation techniques shall achieve a processing gain of at least 17 dB from the combined techniques. The frequency hopping operation of the hybrid system, with the direct sequence operation turned off, shall have an average time of occupancy on any frequency not to exceed 0.4 seconds within a time period in seconds equal to the number of hopping frequencies employed multiplied by 0.4. The direct sequence operation of the hybrid system, with the frequency hopping operation turned off, shall comply with the power density requirements of paragraph (d) of this section. (g) Frequency hopping spread spectrum systems are not required to employ all available hopping channels during each transmission. However, the system, consisting of both the transmitter and the receiver, must be designed to comply with all of the regulations in this section should the transmitter be presented with a continuous data (or information) stream. In addition, a system employing short transmission bursts must comply with the definition of a frequency hopping system and must distribute its transmissions over the minimum number of hopping channels specified in this section. (h) The incorporation of intelligence within a frequency hopping spread spectrum system that permits the system to recognize other users within the spectrum band so that it individually and independently chooses and adapts its hopsets to avoid hopping on occupied channels is permitted. The coordination of frequency hopping systems in any other manner for the express purpose of avoiding the simultaneous occupancy of individual hopping frequencies by multiple transmitters is not permitted. Note: Spread spectrum systems are sharing these bands on a noninterference basis with systems supporting critical Government requirements that have been allocated the usage of these bands, secondary only to ISM equipment operated under the provisions of part 18 of this chapter. Many of these Government systems are airborne radiolocation systems that emit a high EIRP which can cause interference to other users. Also, investigations of the effect of spread spectrum interference to U. S. Government operations in the 902-928 MHz band may require a future decrease in the power limits allowed for spread spectrum operation. [54 FR 17714, Apr. 25, 1989, as amended at 55 FR 28762, July 13, 1990; 62 FR 26242, May 13, 1997] _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 10 20:32:29 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303102134.09VKLPOVwTWMe@omr-m01.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from earl@jarosh.org: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 10 18:16:41 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] ping In-Reply-To: <002b01c2e724$17de9fe0$6701a8c0@D32B5L01> References: <002b01c2e724$17de9fe0$6701a8c0@D32B5L01> Message-ID: <20030311001641.GH30239@techmonkeys.org> > ping Packet administratively filtered. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 16:40:52 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303031748.01RWPQPa14204@omr-d03.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from dieman@ringworld.org: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Sat Mar 8 04:53:59 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] tcwug-list post from drechsau@geeks.org requires approval Message-ID: <20030308105359.13572.30127.Mailman@sprite.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tcwug-list@tcwug.org From: drechsau@geeks.org Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Overlay networks, payback, etc. Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tcwug-list to approve or deny the request. From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 18:55:53 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303031959.05TFBLKa08069@omr-d06.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from earl@jarosh.org: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 10 10:44:35 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] ping In-Reply-To: <002b01c2e724$17de9fe0$6701a8c0@D32B5L01>; from earl@jarosh.org on Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 10:42:51AM -0600 References: <002b01c2e724$17de9fe0$6701a8c0@D32B5L01> Message-ID: <20030310104435.B23457@real-time.com> On Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 10:42:51AM -0600, S. Earl Jarosh wrote: > ping pong. Carl Soderstrom. -- Systems Administrator Real-Time Enterprises www.real-time.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 10 10:45:23 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303101147.04LvRRWa14412@omr-d03.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from chrome@real-time.com: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 10 14:32:04 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:28 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] ping In-Reply-To: <002b01c2e724$17de9fe0$6701a8c0@D32B5L01>; from earl@jarosh.org on Mon, Mar 10, 2003 at 10:42:51AM -0600 References: <002b01c2e724$17de9fe0$6701a8c0@D32B5L01> Message-ID: <20030310143204.A13181@florence.linkmargin.com> S. 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Today's Topics: 1. Primestar (Neal Krasnoff) 2. Re: Primestar (Scott Dier - dieman) 3. Re: Primestar (Scott Dier - dieman) 4. Re: Re: Primestar (Chris Cox) 5. Re: Re: Primestar (S. Earl Jarosh) 6. Re: [wireless] Re: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar (Andy Warner) 7. Re: [wireless] Primestar (Andy Warner) 8. Re: Re: Primestar (mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu) --__--__-- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 19:54:10 -0600 From: Neal Krasnoff To: TC-UNWIRED , TCWUG Subject: [TCWUG] Primestar Reply-To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/Airport/Primestar/Primestar.html --__--__-- Message: 2 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:21:03 -0600 (CST) From: Scott Dier - dieman To: TCWUG Cc: TC-UNWIRED Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar Reply-To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org This might be a really nifty way to convince townhome and apartment powers-that-be that your no worse than the DBS user next door. I might be able to convince the townhome board that this is ok for me to put up on the roof. They dont have to, but I would love to see it someday. Note: I am not advocating saying that this is a MMDS or DBS dish while modified and in use. That is most likely illegal and not a cool thing to do. Anyone in coon rapids north-westish (perhaps east, dono) of egret and hwy 10 want to try this out sometime and make a link? I would be happy to share redundant network access in kind for the moment until an overlay network is formed. Thanks. On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Neal Krasnoff wrote: > http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/Airport/Primestar/Primestar.html > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ --__--__-- Message: 3 Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 20:25:07 -0600 (CST) From: Scott Dier - dieman To: TCWUG Cc: TC-UNWIRED Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar Reply-To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org http://www.trevormarshall.com/biquad.htm This is even *cooler*, biquad 27-31db antenna from the same dish. On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Neal Krasnoff wrote: > http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/Airport/Primestar/Primestar.html > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ --__--__-- Message: 4 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 06:40:46 -0600 (CST) From: Chris Cox To: TCWUG Cc: TC-UNWIRED Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar Reply-To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org It would not be illegal to use the DBS dish as long as you reduce the transmit power level as requied by the FCC. The amount you have to reduce the power is directly dependent on the actual gain of the antenna system. -- 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net Cultural observation: Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; Americans think 100 years is a long time! --__--__-- Message: 5 From: "S. Earl Jarosh" To: "TCWUG" Cc: "TC-UNWIRED" , "Chris Cox N0UK/G4JEC" Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:22:21 -0600 Reply-To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Also, when Chris speaks of the antenna system, he does include the loss of the coax in the overall gain figures. System gain (DB) = Antenna gain (DB) + coax loss (-DB) You can find the published loss figures on www.timesmicrowave.com for the LMR-xxx series and www.belden.com for 9913 and 89913. Chris, would you like to give a power output (watts and dbm) computation example? S. Earl Jarosh (ex. Steve?) N0HZ (ex. KA0VYB) No Hertz, No Gain 612-868-1313 earl@jarosh.org earljarosh@moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com > It would not be illegal to use the DBS dish as long as you reduce the > transmit power level as requied by the FCC. > > The amount you have to reduce the power is directly dependent on the > actual gain of the antenna system. > > -- > 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv --__--__-- Message: 6 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:38:27 -0600 From: Andy Warner To: wireless@lists.tc-unwired.net Cc: TCWUG Subject: Re: [wireless] Re: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar Reply-To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Chris Cox wrote: > It would not be illegal to use the DBS dish as long as you reduce the > transmit power level as requied by the FCC. > > The amount you have to reduce the power is directly dependent on the > actual gain of the antenna system. Last year Tim Pozar expanded his write up on how FCC rules affect 802.11, the result is here: http://www.lns.com/papers/part15/Regulations_Affecting_802_11.pdf Section 3 discusses power limits in a very straightforward way. It's a zero-sum game for point-to-multipoint, but not so for point-to-point links. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 --__--__-- Message: 7 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 09:59:59 -0600 From: Andy Warner To: wireless@lists.tc-unwired.net Cc: TCWUG Subject: [TCWUG] Re: [wireless] Primestar Reply-To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Neal Krasnoff wrote: > http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/Airport/Primestar/Primestar.html For these climates, you can also invert the entire dish, so that the feed is on the top, and the tin can doesn't fill up with snow/water/ bird-droppings. These rusty-can solutions are not going to fare very well in our climate. They're fun, but expect to be doing replacements/ modifications at regular (and possibly inconvenient) intervals. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 --__--__-- Message: 8 Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:25:15 -0600 (CST) Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar From: mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Cc: "TCWUG" , "TC-UNWIRED" Reply-To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Hey Chris (and all)- Wrong. Take a closer look at the rules Andy just emailed out. Section 4 -- Equipment Limitations and Certifications: 15.203 - An intentional radiator shall be designed to ensure no antenna other then that furnished by the responsible party shall be used with the device. ...and... 15.204c: Only the antenna with which an intentional radiator is authorized may be used with the intentional radiator. So it _is_ illegal to do what we are discussing here. But everything we discuss on this list is purely academic until someone builds it, right? :) Regards, ---Matthew Genelin--- > It would not be illegal to use the DBS dish as long as you reduce the > transmit power level as requied by the FCC. > > The amount you have to reduce the power is directly dependent on the > actual gain of the antenna system. > > -- > 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv > > chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... > WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net > Cultural observation: > Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; > Americans think 100 years is a long time! > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > --__--__-- _______________________________________________ tcwug-list mailing list tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list End of tcwug-list Digest --9B095B5ADSN=_01C2DA950A32A3D0000006D8iceberg.giddy?up-- From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 15:46:56 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar (Scott Dier - dieman) - Coon Rapids experiment Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030303/eee7dc1c/attachment.html From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 14:55:11 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:29 2005 Subject: [wireless] Re: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar In-Reply-To: ; from chrisc@Chris.Org on Mon, Mar 03, 2003 at 02:27:29PM -0600 References: <2361.66.41.8.133.1046712315.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20030303145511.A18235@florence.linkmargin.com> Chris Cox wrote: > Well, I stand corrected! I was sure that I had read somewhere that using > gain antennae was fine, as long as you reduced the TX power by 1dB for > each 3dB of gain added. Perhaps that only applies though if you're using > an antenna supplied by the manufacturer of the equipment. I think Matthew's point was FCC part 15 certification, or lack thereof in anything modified after purchase (where modification can be interpreted as adding a 3rd party antenna) - which is a rat-hole I don't intend to get sucked down. Correct me if I'm wrong, Matthew. The "turn the wick down 1dB for every 3dB of antenna gain" rule applies to point-to-point links. The point-to-multipoint rule is 1dB for every 1dB of antenna gain. Makes sense if you look at it from a spatial-reuse-of-spectrum standpoint, it's an incentive to use point-to-point links and highly directional antennae. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 14:55:49 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303031558.05PiNBZa15206@omr-m07.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from andyw@pobox.com: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 4 10:33:51 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] DWL-650 Question Message-ID: <1046795631.2047.18.camel@laptop.cdf123.com> Yes, I know it's been said a million times on this list that the new DWL-650s are not a prism card. I'm just trying to see if the one I got is the new one or not. Currently I'm using it with Mandrake 9.0 and a wavelan driver. The card is working ok, but it tends to drop connection from time to time, especially with ftping large files. Since the wavelan driver works with this card, I'm assuming it's a prism chipset. Here's the info on the back of the card: H/W: J3 F/W: 1.3.5 I've tried the wlan-ng drivers before with no luck, probably my fault, I'm still kinda new at this stuff. But now that I've aged a bit and learned a lot, will the wlan-ng driver fix my dropped connections? And if I screw up, is there a way to revert back to using my old driver, in other words, can I test it without doing the 'make install'? -- Chris Frederick _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 14:30:14 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303031538.10PcEa0001535@omr-m08.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from chrisc@Chris.Org: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 11:25:15 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2361.66.41.8.133.1046712315.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> Hey Chris (and all)- Wrong. Take a closer look at the rules Andy just emailed out. Section 4 -- Equipment Limitations and Certifications: 15.203 - An intentional radiator shall be designed to ensure no antenna other then that furnished by the responsible party shall be used with the device. ...and... 15.204c: Only the antenna with which an intentional radiator is authorized may be used with the intentional radiator. So it _is_ illegal to do what we are discussing here. But everything we discuss on this list is purely academic until someone builds it, right? :) Regards, ---Matthew Genelin--- > It would not be illegal to use the DBS dish as long as you reduce the > transmit power level as requied by the FCC. > > The amount you have to reduce the power is directly dependent on the > actual gain of the antenna system. > > -- > 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv > > chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... > WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net > Cultural observation: > Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; > Americans think 100 years is a long time! > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 14:36:03 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar In-Reply-To: <004201c2e198$b044c250$6701a8c0@D32B5L01> Message-ID: On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, S. Earl Jarosh wrote: > Chris, would you like to give a power output (watts and dbm) computation > example? I could, however, I don't off hand know what the limits for part 15 usage are! Andy mentions correctly the fact that there is a difference in the limts based on whether the system is point-to-point vs point-to-multipoint. If anyone does need to equate power levels expressed in dBm/dBW to linear ERP, I'd be happy to help. -- 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net Cultural observation: Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; Americans think 100 years is a long time! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 14:38:01 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303031543.05PHGHWa22803@omr-m11.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from chrisc@Chris.Org: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Sun Mar 2 20:21:03 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: This might be a really nifty way to convince townhome and apartment powers-that-be that your no worse than the DBS user next door. I might be able to convince the townhome board that this is ok for me to put up on the roof. They dont have to, but I would love to see it someday. Note: I am not advocating saying that this is a MMDS or DBS dish while modified and in use. That is most likely illegal and not a cool thing to do. Anyone in coon rapids north-westish (perhaps east, dono) of egret and hwy 10 want to try this out sometime and make a link? I would be happy to share redundant network access in kind for the moment until an overlay network is formed. Thanks. On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Neal Krasnoff wrote: > http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/Airport/Primestar/Primestar.html > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Sun Mar 2 20:23:19 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303022128.02VCKZFa01096@omr-m08.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from dieman@ringworld.org: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Sun Mar 2 20:25:07 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: http://www.trevormarshall.com/biquad.htm This is even *cooler*, biquad 27-31db antenna from the same dish. On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Neal Krasnoff wrote: > http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/Airport/Primestar/Primestar.html > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > -- Scott Dier http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 09:59:59 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: [wireless] Primestar In-Reply-To: ; from nkras@visi.com on Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 07:54:10PM -0600 References: Message-ID: <20030303095959.A17627@florence.linkmargin.com> Neal Krasnoff wrote: > http://www.wwc.edu/~frohro/Airport/Primestar/Primestar.html For these climates, you can also invert the entire dish, so that the feed is on the top, and the tin can doesn't fill up with snow/water/ bird-droppings. These rusty-can solutions are not going to fare very well in our climate. They're fun, but expect to be doing replacements/ modifications at regular (and possibly inconvenient) intervals. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 10:00:51 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:29 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303031109.01LYAESLzNxAA@omr-m03.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from andyw@pobox.com: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 14:27:29 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Primestar In-Reply-To: <2361.66.41.8.133.1046712315.squirrel@www.ieee.umn.edu> Message-ID: Well, I stand corrected! I was sure that I had read somewhere that using gain antennae was fine, as long as you reduced the TX power by 1dB for each 3dB of gain added. Perhaps that only applies though if you're using an antenna supplied by the manufacturer of the equipment. On Mon, 3 Mar 2003 mgenelin@ieee.umn.edu wrote: > Hey Chris (and all)- > > Wrong. Take a closer look at the rules Andy just emailed out. > > Section 4 -- Equipment Limitations and Certifications: > > 15.203 - An intentional radiator shall be designed to ensure no antenna > other then that furnished by the responsible party shall be used with the > device. > > ...and... > > 15.204c: Only the antenna with which an intentional radiator is authorized > may be used with the intentional radiator. > > So it _is_ illegal to do what we are discussing here. But everything we > discuss on this list is purely academic until someone builds it, right? :) > > Regards, > ---Matthew Genelin--- > > > > It would not be illegal to use the DBS dish as long as you reduce the > > transmit power level as requied by the FCC. > > > > The amount you have to reduce the power is directly dependent on the > > actual gain of the antenna system. > > > > -- > > 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv > > > > chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... > > WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net > > Cultural observation: > > Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; > > Americans think 100 years is a long time! > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > http://www.tcwug.org > > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -- 73 Chris Cox N0UK, G4JEC, ex-AB0CN, ex-G8PTC RNARS #1157 EN34jv chrisc@Chris.Org Ping Jockey's do it until they HEAR the burn... WWW Home Page: http://WWW.Chris.Org/ http://www.pingjockey.net Cultural observation: Europeans think 100 miles is a long way; Americans think 100 years is a long time! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 3 09:38:47 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303031043.04KsTNPa08001@omr-d06.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from andyw@pobox.com: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 11 10:35:00 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] tcwug-list post from ben@mnfilm.org requires approval Message-ID: <20030311163500.6000.54190.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> As list administrator, your authorization is requested for the following mailing list posting: List: tcwug-list@tcwug.org From: ben@mnfilm.org Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Meeting tonight! Reason: Post by non-member to a members-only list At your convenience, visit: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tcwug-list to approve or deny the request. From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Tue Mar 11 10:11:51 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting tonight! In-Reply-To: <200303111001.15165@join.TCLUG.at.www.mn-linux.org> Message-ID: I sent an announcement out on February 18 to both lists (tc-unwired and TCWUG) and it's posted on the front page of both www.tcwug.org and www.tc-unwired.net. For the latest info about meetings, etc, check either/both of these sites. It's usually there, along with maps, etc. -- Ben Nelson 612.685.9116 cell benmgroup@earthlink.net > From: Bob Tanner > Organization: Real Time Enterprises, Inc. > Reply-To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:01:15 -0600 > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Meeting tonight! > > On Tuesday 11 March 2003 09:21 am, Ben Nelson wrote: >> Reminder: >> TCWUG meeting tonight. >> Tuesday, March 11 >> 6:00 pm to 8:00 pm > > Could we have a little more then 8.5 hours notice for meetings? :-) Or did I > miss the previous announcement? > > -- > Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 > http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 > Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Mon Mar 10 14:31:32 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Mail Delivery Problem Message-ID: <200303101534.06PmYASa16307@omr-d04.mx.aol.com> Your mail to the following recipients could not be delivered because they are not accepting mail from andyw@pobox.com: hanischc From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Thu Mar 20 12:54:43 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Cisco to Acquire Linksys? Message-ID: <000601c2ef12$2cb6c320$780b0a0a@SECURITY> Cisco, entering into the consumer grade AP market It?s all right here: http://boston.com/dailynews/079/economy/Cisco_to_acquire_home_networki%3 A.shtml Finally Cisco is going to get some strength behind their networking products! ;-) Joel R. Helgeson ? "Give a man fire, and he'll be warm for a day; set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life." -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature Size: 3220 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030320/2f9a0b6d/smime.bin From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Wed Mar 19 20:55:27 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] No wireless in Dulles?! In-Reply-To: <20030319183122.GA44388@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <008001c2ee8c$4194ad10$6801a8c0@stratvantagelap> Steve, I just returned from Dulles, and, not only do they not have WLANs (despite having two Starbucks on one concourse), they don't have phones that take credit cards! I had to use this stupid Windoze-based terminal thingie to send one measly email, and it cost me $7. ORD, however, does have WLANs. It's just that they don't have Internet access because they are the baggage handling systems. I attached to three different WLANs on C concourse, but no go for the Net. I wrote about the experience in a recent edition of my newsletter: http://www.stratvantage.com/news/031403.htm#3 Does anyone know of a comprehensive airport hotspot list? Thanks. Mike Ellsworth Stratvantage Consulting, LLC Helping Successful Companies Make Winning Technology Decisions 8273 Westwood Hills Curve St. Louis Park, MN 55426 952-525-1584 mellsworth@stratvantage.com www.stratvantage.com They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin, ~1784 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of steve ulrich Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:31 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: Re: [TCWUG] No wireless in Dulles?! ahh the travelers dilemma - it's easier to compile a list of airports which do have it. some airports which you would think *must* have it, just don't and it's a royal PITA. if you're a frequent traveller there are some tools that you should avail yourself of if you like speedy Internet access. http://www.geektools.com/geektels - their tools are hacks but the hotel list is great http://www.wayport.com <- hotels/airports these folks also bought laptop lane http://www.tmobile.net <- starbucks here's my list of airports that i frequent that have it & those that don't. if anyone can fill in my *nots* with updates i know i'd really appreciate it. haves nots ---------------------------------------------------------------------- msp (Qpass) ord den (at&t) mdw (rumored to now) aus (wayport) lit dfw (t-mobile - w/roaming) cdg sfo (various - patchy) ams sjc (wayport & admirals club) iad sea (various) dca lhr (various) bos jfk (various) las lax rdu when last we saw our hero (Wednesday, Mar 19, 2003), natecars@real-time.com was madly tapping out: > Geez, I'm shocked.. looks like Dulles doesn't have any 802.11b > access. I figured since MSP has it, Dulles would *have* to! :) > > Ah well.. that's what my cell phone's for. > -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com Wed Mar 26 17:00:05 2003 From: tcwug-list-admin at archives.real-time.com (tcwug-list-admin@archives.real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:30 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 1 tcwug-list admin request(s) waiting Message-ID: <20030326230005.23016.28108.Mailman@pirate.real-time.com> The tcwug-list@tcwug.org mailing list has 1 request(s) waiting for your consideration at: https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/admindb/tcwug-list Please attend to this at your earliest convenience. This notice of pending requests, if any, will be sent out daily. Pending posts: From: alexismielcarz@anfmail.com on Wed Mar 26 02:59:01 2003 Cause: Post by non-member to a members-only list From drechsau at geeks.org Sat Mar 8 11:19:40 2003 From: drechsau at geeks.org (Mike Horwath) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:44 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Overlay networks, payback, etc. In-Reply-To: <3D5841AF.DF446DE@nkras.dsl.visi.com> References: <1029038846.10067.48.camel@runabout> <3D5841AF.DF446DE@nkras.dsl.visi.com> Message-ID: <20020814012650.GA61618@Geeks.ORG> On Mon, Aug 12, 2002 at 06:16:04PM -0500, Neal wrote: > After the last meeting, it struck me that others may have dollar > signs before their eyes, and as with linux, will gladly build upon > the work - the donated, work of others, becoming the Redhat > of Twin Cities wireless. Wow, that is pretty short sighted. How about the $$s that are required to make it work in the first place? I know that there are people who wanna make a buck, and that's cool. There are those that don't want it to make a buck, and that's cool. But you can not do the full 'plan' without cash, and I doubt anyone here is altruistic enough to donate the many thousands of dollars and manhours just because it is fun. Or if there is someone, very very cool, but I don't think there is anyone on this list that is able to do so. > If the cloud is successful, then commercial interests, whether > individual or corporate, or a combination of the two, will use the > network. This fact will transform the network into a de facto > commercial entity. That incurs liability. You ahve liability regardless. > Once any thing of value is exchanged, this project will be a > commercial enterprise. This group really should consider the > ramifications of this: once commercial traffic is allowed on the > cloud, and such traffic is transferred to the Internet, this group > will become a wireless backbone supplier, and anyone running an AP, > an ISP. Again, short sighted. > Considering the above, I strongly suggest, at the very least, > incorporating as a non-profit. That way, any work that is done can > only be used for the TCWUG wireless network, and any work: siting, > propagation estimates, development methods and data, antenna > configurations, et. al. would be proprietary, and could only be used > if TCWUG, as a non-profit corporate entity, gives permission, in > return for a fee, for the use of such facilities or proprietary > methods and data. The moneys would be re-invested into TCWUG. Call > it a cooperative. Sure, and who will do the work? Where does the initial money come from? > I am going to give anyone the benefit of my knowledge of and > experience in urban radio propagation if that knowledge will be > exploited for enrichment, but I will gladly donate it as a > volunteer for a non-profit, as long as the work is protected. Your choice, no one is forcing you to do anything. -- Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau@Geeks.ORG Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period. From becky at pihl.us Sun Mar 30 11:27:29 2003 From: becky at pihl.us (Becky Lynn Pihl) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:44 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [tcwug-web] Addition/Correction to previous memo re Moos Tower Message-ID: <001001c24310$f59add20$0200000a@iaxs.net> PLEASE NOTE: My PC is dead from multiple viruses/viri (sp?). As a result, send your response to leif@pihl.us, but also please send a "CC" (copy) to my wife's machine, at becky@pihl.us. ======================================== Sir(s)/Madam(s): This memo is an addition to one I sent just the other evening regarding aquiring permission to mount an antenna on Moos Tower at the U of Mn East Bank Campus. I found out that Jim Linder is _A_ person to talk to, near the END of the process of getting the U's permission. However, _THE_ person to talk to is: Ginger DeRosier, Leasing Manager, University of Minnesota's Real Estate Office Suite 424, Donhowe 319 - 15th Ave. S.E. Minneapolis, MN 55455 direct phone: 612-626-2231 office phone: 612-625-5345 E-mail: derosier@umn.edu. I'm told that she prefers E-mail. FYI: I have NOT spoken with her. You probably also want to check out the policy statement referred to below. Good luck, leif@pihl.us p.s.: At your web page http://www.tcwug.org/mailinglists/index.html, your link for "TCWUG General Mailing List" seems to be broken. ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Lindner" To: Sent: Tuesday, August 13, 2002 12:59 PM Subject: Antenna > To have an antenna installed atop Moos Tower requires, I believe, > permission from the University Real Estate office. Phone number > 612-625-5345. The Board of Regents website has a policy on building > usage. > > http://www1.umn.edu/regents/policies/financial/BuildingUsage.html > >