From ben at mnfilm.org Tue May 6 13:06:37 2003 From: ben at mnfilm.org (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] May meeting 5/13 Message-ID: Next meeting: Tuesday, May 13, 6:00 to 8:00 pm Dunn Bros 201 3rd Avenue Minneapolis, MN 55401 612-692-8530 (on the same block as the Milwaukee Road Depot hotel and skating rink) Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt Limited parking behind the building, plenty of on-street parking near-by. Mark your calendars: next meeting June 10, same place, same time. FYI, I?m trying to keep to the second Tuesday of the month, at the same place and time each month. Generally you can rely on that, though please watch for updates and venue changes. -- Ben Nelson -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030506/cc706f5f/attachment.htm From leif at utne.com Thu May 8 12:05:21 2003 From: leif at utne.com (Leif Utne) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Paris, the wireless wonder Message-ID: <2381E43D6A81004690B2E9C22792540E0134A482@rachmaninov.omnidelta.com> FYI. ------- Forwarded message follows ------- Send reply to: "Vera Franz" From: "Vera Franz" To: "ipolicy list" Subject: Paris, the wireless wonder Date sent: Wed, 7 May 2003 09:04:12 +0200 Paris, the wireless wonder? Lee Dembart/IHT IHT Monday, May 5, 2003 In the cards: Unplugged Net surfing all over town PARIS An experiment is under way in Paris that aims to turn the city into one huge Wi-Fi hot spot, making it what could be the first large wireless city in the world. A dozen Wi-Fi antennas have been set up outside subway stations along a major north-south bus route, providing Internet access to anyone near them who has a laptop computer or personal desk assistant equipped to receive the signals. The access is free until June 30 but will require paid subscriptions afterward. If all goes as planned, the private partners building the system expect to make a decision before the end of the year to install at least two antennas, and possibly three, outside each of Paris's 372 Metro stations and to link them through an existing fiber optics network in the subway tunnels. That would create one continuous network that would allow people to roam seamlessly throughout the city while sending and receiving data over the Internet. Individual subscribers to the service could sit in parks, caf?s or restaurants and sign on to check their e-mail or surf the Net. Businesses could create so-called virtual private networks that would let them exchange information with employees in the field or, for example, with delivery trucks. Wi-Fi, which is short for wireless fidelity, is essentially a low-power radio signal with limited range that started as a hobbyist gadget three years ago and is being ratcheted up by major companies that hope to turn it into a profitable enterprise. But no one has yet come up with a surefire plan to make that happen profitably. The Paris project is being spearheaded by the technology consulting firm Cap Gemini Ernst Young along with two partners, Cisco Systems, which is supplying the antennas and access points, and the RATP, the agency that operates the Paris Metro, which is providing the fiber-optics link that is already in place in the subway tunnels. If the project proves successful, it could help establish Wi-Fi's viability for other large installations around the world. "We can't think of another complete city that has deployed wireless access throughout," said Ian Phillips, Cisco's manager of product marketing mobility solutions in London. Cisco is involved in several other large Wi-Fi projects around the world. Under the best conditions, Wi-Fi signals can travel up to 100 meters (110 yards) or so, and while there are thousands of hot spots operating throughout the world, they can be finicky, and moving from one to another sometimes requires resetting things on the receiving laptop computer. Getting wireless access to the Internet requires having a Wi-Fi-equipped laptop or handheld computing device. Many new laptops come with Wi-Fi built in, and older ones can be upgraded with a card that slips into the PCMCIA slot. The cards typically cost under $100. Computer manufacturers hope that Wi-Fi will be a "killer app" that motivates consumers to buy new laptops. "We believe that giving this connectivity will develop a lot of new applications," said Jean-Paul Figer, Cap Gemini's chief technology officer. "Trucks, buses, cars, the same application has much better value if you get this kind of mobility. It's exactly like your TV remote control. It's only three meters, but it changes your life." The Paris project opened on April 1 with antennas outside a dozen Metro stations generally following the route of Bus No. 38, which traverses Paris from north to south. It's free until June 30, and anyone can sign up at www.wixos.net. As of Sunday, 604 people had signed up. "We did not advertise, so there are relatively few people," Figer said. "The purpose of our pilot system is just to get feedback to be able to understand exactly how people will use it," Figer said, adding that adjustments would be made to accommodate users' experience and recommendations. Based on the results of the prototype experiment, he said, he expects the partners to decide before the end of the year to go ahead with the full installation, which Figer estimated will cost E3 million ($3.4 million) to E10 million, "relatively small," he said. "It can be done extremely fast because we already have the infrastructure," he said. "Then we'll be able to offer high-speed Internet access to people in cars or buses or whatever. Sitting at a caf? or restaurant or in a park you will have full access to the Internet. "We don't know how people will use it," he said. "It's the same as 10 years ago at the beginning of the Internet. The reason why we launched a huge experiment is to get the feedback of our users, to ask them how it's working, what do you need? And then we will see what kind of applications, what kind of usage will be important." The partnership, which is called Wixos, is building the system, but the actual Internet connection will be provided by separate commercial companies, of which eight have signed up so far, six of whom have agreed to be identified: Bouygues Telecom, Club Internet, Tele2, TLC Mobile, Wifi Spot and Wifix. They will set the rates for their users; Figer said that he hoped competition among them would keep the price down. The individual operators will pay Wixos for using the system, and none of them have yet said how much they will charge users. In the United States, Wi-Fi access charges for individuals have been $10 an hour and up. "It must be much cheaper," Figer said. "The business model of trying to sell Wi-Fi to people at these huge costs will fail everywhere." "It will be interesting to see competing business models," in Paris, he said. But "we don't push a specific business model, he said. "Companies will be able to do what they want." Phillips of Cisco said that service providers will be able to provide additional premium services on top of plain vanilla Internet access. For example, he said, operators could offer businesses virtual private networks, "which give you the ability to create a secure tunnel over the public Internet into your corporate headquarters to download your corporate information." Here again, once the capability is available, no one can predict the uses that individuals and businesses will find for it. When cellular phones got going, Phillips said, "it was just voice. Then things like text messaging came along, and now we're seeing picture messaging. We're seeing data running over voice. There are different types of services that we can bundle on top of an access technology." International Herald Tribune Copyright ? 2002 The International Herald Tribune _______________________________________________ AFLUG mailing list AFLUG@globalcn.tc.ca http://globalcn.tc.ca/mailman/listinfo/aflug ------- End of forwarded message ------- ^ ^ ^ ^ Steven L. Clift - W: http://www.publicus.net Minneapolis - - - E: clift@publicus.net Minnesota - - - - - T: +1.612.822.8667 USA - - - - - - - ICQ: 13789183 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From shahiid at yahoo.com Sat May 10 11:14:40 2003 From: shahiid at yahoo.com (shahiid@yahoo.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] NYTimes.com Article: Internet Access for the Cost of a Cup of Coffee Message-ID: <20030510161440.3D5D735040@web38t.prvt.nytimes.com> This article from NYTimes.com has been sent to you by shahiid@yahoo.com. This may be interesting to those who wonder about the economics of providing Wi-Fi access. Regards, John shahiid@yahoo.com /-------------------- advertisement -----------------------\ Explore more of Starbucks at Starbucks.com. http://www.starbucks.com/default.asp?ci=1015 \----------------------------------------------------------/ Internet Access for the Cost of a Cup of Coffee May 8, 2003 By KATIE HAFNER "Hot spots" for wireless Internet access are sprouting in airports, universities and cafes. But should Internet access be given away? http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/08/technology/circuits/08wifi.html?ex=1053583280&ei=1&en=2b1097ac9eb73fcb HOW TO ADVERTISE --------------------------------- For information on advertising in e-mail newsletters or other creative advertising opportunities with The New York Times on the Web, please contact onlinesales@nytimes.com or visit our online media kit at http://www.nytimes.com/adinfo For general information about NYTimes.com, write to help@nytimes.com. Copyright 2003 The New York Times Company _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kritchie at kritchie.org Sat May 10 17:36:07 2003 From: kritchie at kritchie.org (Kent Ritchie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] NYTimes.com Article: Internet Access for the Cost of a Cup of Coffee Message-ID: <1052606167.3ebd7ed7ef0ac@www.kritchie.org> Quoting shahiid@yahoo.com: > This article from NYTimes.com > has been sent to you by shahiid@yahoo.com. > > > This may be interesting to those who wonder about the economics of > providing Wi-Fi access. I read the following article in some industry rag... can't remember which, but it hints that Starbucks likely benefits more from internal usage of the wireless network than from what little revenue sharing there is today. I suppose that could change in the future if more users sign up for the T-Mobile service in Starbucks coverage areas. http://www.ccfa.org.cn/english/article/64/2464.jsp -Kent _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Mon May 12 07:38:27 2003 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:32 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting tomorrow! Message-ID: Join us tomorrow for the latest on the Loring Park project, and, as always, fun discussion about all things wireless! Tuesday, March 11th, 6:00 to 8:00 pm Dunn Bros Freight House 201 3rd Avenue Minneapolis, MN 55401 612-692-8530 (on the same block as the Milwaukee Road Depot hotel and skating rink) Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt Limited parking behind the building, plenty of on-street parking near-by. Can?t make it? Mark your calendar for next time: Tuesday, June 10. Same time, same place. -- Ben Nelson 612.685.9116 cell benmgroup@earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030512/9c418533/attachment.html From josh at tschidanet.com Tue May 13 10:06:21 2003 From: josh at tschidanet.com (Joshua D. Tschida) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] anyone here? Message-ID: <001801c31961$36de3440$4d7ae18c@csc3742> Greetings. I am new to the list and am just curious as to who else is using this list. I've been doing some research lately into the LocustWorld MeshAP software. Does anyone on this list use it? Anyone know of any mesh networks currently running in the Twin Cities area? -Josh -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030513/be6e000a/attachment.htm From ben at nerp.net Tue May 13 10:23:45 2003 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] anyone here? In-Reply-To: <001801c31961$36de3440$4d7ae18c@csc3742> References: <001801c31961$36de3440$4d7ae18c@csc3742> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 To my knowlage, there are no mesh networks in town at this time.. but I have plans to begin building an overlay network this summer, starting from the minneapolis, and st. paul campuses of the U of M. My current plan is to use freely available software to operate the network. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 13 May 2003, Joshua D. Tschida wrote: > Greetings. I am new to the list and am just curious as to who else is using this list. > > I've been doing some research lately into the LocustWorld MeshAP software. Does anyone on this list use it? Anyone know of any mesh networks currently running in the Twin Cities area? > > -Josh -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+wQ4DflzKmtpiQEMRAs5iAJ9TNtc1PG+Oq4wUy9pWgJ0nVlv1WQCeJzup eNb7nhY8kV88F8ATB5Ta3zs= =yKPF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Mon May 12 07:38:27 2003 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] [wireless] Meeting tomorrow! Message-ID: Join us tomorrow for the latest on the Loring Park project, and, as always, fun discussion about all things wireless! Tuesday, March 11th, 6:00 to 8:00 pm Dunn Bros Freight House 201 3rd Avenue Minneapolis, MN 55401 612-692-8530 (on the same block as the Milwaukee Road Depot hotel and skating rink) Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt Limited parking behind the building, plenty of on-street parking near-by. Can?t make it? Mark your calendar for next time: Tuesday, June 10. Same time, same place. -- Ben Nelson 612.685.9116 cell benmgroup@earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030512/9c418533/attachment-0001.html From joel at helgeson.com Tue May 13 19:22:28 2003 From: joel at helgeson.com (Joel R. Helgeson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Optical Bridge Links Message-ID: <000701c319ae$e7defb60$4802a8c0@Security> Does anyone know of any high speed free-space optical bridges that can achieve 100mb/s on up to gigabit/sec throughput? Are there any vendors out there that you're familiar with or have used/seen customers use? I've got a friend who has an 802.11b bridge between two buildings in AZ and wants greater throughput. I know that with the Cisco Aironet bridges you can combine up to 3 bridges to get an aggregate throughput of 33mbps... bah! I know about the 802.11a bridges by Proxim and such, but does anyone know about freespace optical? Regards, Joel _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue May 13 22:38:40 2003 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Optical Bridge Links In-Reply-To: <000701c319ae$e7defb60$4802a8c0@Security> References: <000701c319ae$e7defb60$4802a8c0@Security> Message-ID: <20030514033840.GA34511@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Tuesday, May 13, 2003), Joel R. Helgeson was madly tapping out: > Does anyone know of any high speed free-space optical bridges that > can achieve 100mb/s on up to gigabit/sec throughput? Are there any > vendors out there that you're familiar with or have used/seen > customers use? > > I've got a friend who has an 802.11b bridge between two buildings in > AZ and wants greater throughput. I know that with the Cisco Aironet > bridges you can combine up to 3 bridges to get an aggregate > throughput of 33mbps... bah! > > I know about the 802.11a bridges by Proxim and such, but does anyone > know about freespace optical? might try contacting terabeam. these folks have a nice product that is quite compact and works well in a surprising array of environmental conditions. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue May 13 22:51:26 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Optical Bridge Links In-Reply-To: <000701c319ae$e7defb60$4802a8c0@Security> References: <000701c319ae$e7defb60$4802a8c0@Security> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 May 2003, Joel R. Helgeson wrote: > Does anyone know of any high speed free-space optical bridges that can > achieve 100mb/s on up to gigabit/sec throughput? Are there any vendors > out there that you're familiar with or have used/seen customers use? Western Multiplex (apparently bought out by Proxim) sells fairly high speed stuff. If I recall correctly, a complete 100mbit full duplex setup from them was around $25,000 installed, including everything (radios, antennas, etc.) The 'Lynx' series is designed to be used in place of telco links - IE, they provide T1/DS3/OC3 ports. The 'Tsunami' series gives you 10/100mbit or gigabit ethernet ports on each end; can provide up to 400mbit of bandwidth. Also gives you sideband T1 to boot if you want to do voice (or data t1, I suppose) connections between the buildings. Check out http://www.proxim.com. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From natecars at real-time.com Tue May 13 22:52:24 2003 From: natecars at real-time.com (natecars@real-time.com) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Optical Bridge Links In-Reply-To: References: <000701c319ae$e7defb60$4802a8c0@Security> Message-ID: On Tue, 13 May 2003, natecars@real-time.com wrote: > Western Multiplex (apparently bought out by Proxim) sells fairly high > speed stuff. If I recall correctly, a complete 100mbit full duplex setup > from them was around $25,000 installed, including everything (radios, > antennas, etc.) (heh, should've read your message closer - this isn't optical, but hey, it works.) -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Wed May 14 01:35:37 2003 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Optical Bridge Links In-Reply-To: <000701c319ae$e7defb60$4802a8c0@Security> Message-ID: <001901c319e3$0d5746c0$6701a8c0@HPZT> Try LightPointe: here's an announcement for their 1.25GB/sec link. They have others. http://www.lightpointe.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=news.NewsDetails&NewsID=55 Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-admin@tcwug.org]On > Behalf Of Joel R. Helgeson > Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2003 7:22 PM > To: TCWUG > Subject: [TCWUG] Optical Bridge Links > > > Does anyone know of any high speed free-space optical bridges that can > achieve 100mb/s on up to gigabit/sec throughput? > Are there any vendors out there that you're familiar with or > have used/seen > customers use? > > I've got a friend who has an 802.11b bridge between two > buildings in AZ and > wants greater throughput. I know that with the Cisco Aironet > bridges you > can combine up to 3 bridges to get an aggregate throughput of > 33mbps... bah! > > I know about the 802.11a bridges by Proxim and such, but does > anyone know > about freespace optical? > > Regards, > Joel _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From Andrew at AZimmer.com Thu May 15 22:23:21 2003 From: Andrew at AZimmer.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Loring Park Tonight Message-ID: <001d01c31b5a$80845a70$3d01a8c0@azimmer.com> Well, I was out in the part tonight from about 8:20 to 9:00 looking for tcwug. From about 8:20 to 8:45 I could not get a signal to the left or right of the Woman's club between 15th street and the lake. Anything behind the Woman's Club wasn't happening. I also had problems maintaining a signal to the sides and the opposite end of the lake from 15th street. Something happened at around 8:45 and I was able to get a fairly strong signal from tcwug. I started pinging the AP(10.88.46.1) from the other side of the lake from 15th Street. From the lake to the tennis courts, I could ping the AP consistently. I kept moving back from there. There is a log of foliage on the hill and the pings were pretty intermittent. But I kept moving back and I was able to actually get two pings through from the MCTC steps. Not too shabby. I mainly stayed straight with Dunn Brothers, the lake and MCTC. At around 9:00 I lost the signal and was unable to pick it back up so I left. I will see if I can pick up the signal tomorrow. Thanks. 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A panel might be a better choice than a dish (most dish beamwidths are < 10 degrees), a 90 degree panel might be a worthwhile experiment, would you like me to try and dig one out for a trial ? I know I've not been able to attend meetings where these things get talked about, Tuesdays got really bad for me with kids stuff. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From chandler.heath at zycko.com Fri May 16 11:30:10 2003 From: chandler.heath at zycko.com (Chandler Heath) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Loring park antenna Message-ID: I have both 13db and a 19db panel for a trial. If interested, please let me know. Chandler Heath -----Original Message----- From: Andy Warner [mailto:andyw@pobox.com] Sent: Friday, May 16, 2003 11:30 AM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Loring park antenna Alec Kloss wrote: > There's now an largish dish antenna pointed at Loring Park. After > brief inspection the reception doesn't seem to be what I would hope > for; I'm no expert on antennas, but perhaps an omnidirectional > would work better. I'll probably experiment with it some Monday > and Tuesday night. Any feedback from anyone in the park would be > welcome. A panel might be a better choice than a dish (most dish beamwidths are < 10 degrees), a 90 degree panel might be a worthwhile experiment, would you like me to try and dig one out for a trial ? I know I've not been able to attend meetings where these things get talked about, Tuesdays got really bad for me with kids stuff. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Fri May 16 11:58:38 2003 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:33 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Loring park antenna In-Reply-To: ; from chandler.heath@zycko.com on Fri, May 16, 2003 at 11:30:10AM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030516115838.D26938@florence.linkmargin.com> Chandler Heath wrote: > I have both 13db and a 19db panel for a trial. If interested, please let me > know. These still have too narrow beamwidth to flood an area like Loring Park, I think. Most 13dB panels are going to have a beamwidth of around 20 degrees. Can someone who knows the installation site suggest whether a 45/60/90 degree field of view covers the whole park. Armed with that info, I can try and rustle up an appropriate antenna. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andrewjzimmer at hotmail.com Fri May 16 14:36:57 2003 From: andrewjzimmer at hotmail.com (Andrew Zimmer) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Loring Pak Message-ID: I'm in the park by the horseshoe area. I walked around the park and was able to browse pretty much everywhere except for the back corner by Utne. We have some pretty good coverage but the signal isn't very strong. It doesn't take much to stop it. I think if we used a repeater or two we would be in pretty good shape. I brought my power pack and 2 WET11's to act as a repeater. If someone else is in the park I can set them up and see how much that would help. I'll probably be around until 4. How is the captive portal coming? Thanks, Andrew. _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Wed May 21 10:35:36 2003 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier - dieman) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: Sharing Broadband within our Townhome community..... In-Reply-To: <025501c31fae$354bb370$6401a8c0@tom> Message-ID: On Wed, 21 May 2003, Tom O'Neill wrote: > Could anyone give me some advice? Let me know your plans for business continuity and support. I've thought aobut it long and hard and I can't get myself to think about doing this unless I can muster up some sort of plan where when I leave, it still works. :P -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From tommyo at dolemite.org Wed May 21 10:32:32 2003 From: tommyo at dolemite.org (Tom O'Neill) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Sharing Broadband within our Townhome community..... Message-ID: <025501c31fae$354bb370$6401a8c0@tom> Hello tcwug, I am hoping for some advice with my latest scheme. What I want to do is get broadband connection and share it with potentially 100-150 users in my townhome community. You could call it a cooperative effort to get affordable broadband. We have three units per building and all buildings are within a mile radius. Each building is wired with new C5 for phone purposes, single location on out side of building for all three units. We would like the broadband come into one building and share with other buildings via wireless. The building-to-building network would be wireless and the unit-to-unit wired. We would like to set this up like an ISP so that we could control bandwidth and restrict usage to those in the community that contribute to the cost. Could anyone give me some advice? Hardware - What kind of hardware will we need from Internet to Client? Can you recommend any particular access points or repeaters? Can you recommend a vendor for these devices? Cost? Broadband - What can we get by with? T1? Any cost estimate here? Software- Access control is an issue, as well as billing. Does anyone know of any good software, preferably open source or inexpensive that can do the trick here? I appreciate any input! Thanks everyone! Tom O'Neill tommyo@dolemite.org http://www.dolemite.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030521/f7417723/attachment.html From partsmgr at bigbike.com Wed May 21 12:35:26 2003 From: partsmgr at bigbike.com (Parts Manager) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 494 & Lyndale Wireless Message-ID: <000201c31fbf$5d8f68c0$0300a8c0@mn.rr.com> Greetings, I have a store near 494 & Lyndale. I also have Road Runner Biz Class Service. I have been thinking of putting together some kind of Wireless Network. I have a Compaq Prolient 3000 Server just sitting here collecting Dust. It currently has no OS installed. PII 333 512mg RAM & two 9GB HD's. Anyone know how to put this to good use ? Windows NT Server or Linux ? I think because I have Biz Class RoadRunner I can do what I want with my Bandwidth. I do not want to call Time Warner and ask though. Any Ideas would be appreciated. Regards, Todd Uebe Bigbike of Minneapolis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030521/cab6b9f7/attachment.htm From tuebe at sturn.com Wed May 21 13:06:30 2003 From: tuebe at sturn.com (Uebe, Todd) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 494 & Lyndale Wireless Message-ID: <000a01c31fc3$b6d37120$0300a8c0@mn.rr.com> Greetings, I have a store near 494 & Lyndale. I also have Road Runner Biz Class Service. I have been thinking of putting together some kind of Wireless Network. I have a Compaq Prolient 3000 Server just sitting here collecting Dust. It currently has no OS installed. PII 333 512mg RAM & two 9GB HD's. Anyone know how to put this to good use ? Windows NT Server or Linux ? I think because I have Biz Class RoadRunner I can do what I want with my Bandwidth. I do not want to call Time Warner and ask though. Any Ideas would be appreciated. Regards, Todd Uebe Bigbike of Minneapolis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030521/5bedf4a4/attachment.html From dd at davedash.com Wed May 21 14:17:41 2003 From: dd at davedash.com (Dave Dash) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:34 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 494 & Lyndale Wireless In-Reply-To: <000a01c31fc3$b6d37120$0300a8c0@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: Yeah you can easily put Linux on their, and if you have a wireless card, I think a KNOPPIX CD will detect everything for you. Are you thinking of using this box as a wireless portal-like device? Like a noCat node? -dd On Wednesday, May 21, 2003, at 01:06 PM, Uebe, Todd wrote: > I have a store near 494 & Lyndale. I also have Road Runner Biz Class > Service. > I have been thinking of putting together some kind of Wireless Network. > I have a Compaq Prolient 3000 Server just sitting here collecting Dust. > It currently has no OS installed. PII 333 512mg RAM &?two 9GB HD's. > Anyone know how to put this to good use ? > Windows NT Server or Linux ? > I think because I have Biz Class RoadRunner I can do what I want with > my Bandwidth. > I do not want to call Time Warner and ask though. > Any Ideas would be appreciated. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text/enriched Size: 906 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030521/83d30459/attachment.bin From nkras at visi.com Wed May 21 18:42:00 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:35 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 494 & Lyndale Wireless In-Reply-To: <000a01c31fc3$b6d37120$0300a8c0@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: on 5/21/03 1:06 PM, Uebe, Todd at tuebe@sturn.com wrote: Greetings, I have a store near 494 & Lyndale. I also have Road Runner Biz Class Service. I have been thinking of putting together some kind of Wireless Network. I have a Compaq Prolient 3000 Server just sitting here collecting Dust. It currently has no OS installed. PII 333 512mg RAM & two 9GB HD's. Anyone know how to put this to good use ? Windows NT Server or Linux ? I think because I have Biz Class RoadRunner I can do what I want with my Bandwidth. I do not want to call Time Warner and ask though. Any Ideas would be appreciated. Regards, Todd Uebe Bigbike of Minneapolis What kind of network? Who will you be serving? Will it be a private or public intranet, or both? Will the server be a router or firewall? I'd say go with linux in any case. Neal -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://shadowknight.real-time.com/pipermail/tcwug-list/attachments/20030521/37f3ed30/attachment.html From andyw at pobox.com Wed May 21 23:38:20 2003 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:35 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] 494 & Lyndale Wireless In-Reply-To: <000a01c31fc3$b6d37120$0300a8c0@mn.rr.com>; from tuebe@sturn.com on Wed, May 21, 2003 at 01:06:30PM -0500 References: <000a01c31fc3$b6d37120$0300a8c0@mn.rr.com> Message-ID: <20030521233819.J11528@florence.linkmargin.com> Uebe, Todd wrote: > > Greetings, > > I have a store near 494 & Lyndale. I also have Road Runner Biz Class > Service. > [...] > I think because I have Biz Class RoadRunner I can do what I want with > my Bandwidth. > I do not want to call Time Warner and ask though. I think as long as you don't re-sell, you're good to go, but I'd have to go back and re-check their terms of service.. > Any Ideas would be appreciated. What is your goal ? To provide free access for clients within some radius (the store, the block, the neighborhood) ? If the desired range is beyond the store, then you'll want to use some sort of external antenna, most likely an onmi-directional, or possibly a panel, depending on the desired coverage area. I'd recommend going the Linux route, assuming you're comfortable with that. As someone mentioned, you may want to consider one of the distros that target this kind of application, such as Knoppix, as opposed to something like RH 8/9 (though there's nothing stopping you getting the system going under just about any distro - if you have a favourite, use it.) You will need to choose one of the following options for wireless connectivity: o Wireless card installed in server, connected to external antenna. I would recommend a card based on the Intersil Prism chipset, and the hostap driver. o An access point, which is connected to the server via ethernet. You can mount the access point near to the antenna, cutting down on losses in the coax used to connect the radio to the antenna. Both of these setups are supported by numerous captive/active portal solutions (nocat, nocat-clones & homegrown.) I think it's a great idea, and there are several people on the list doing exactly the same thing as (I think) you're contemplating. Hopefully they'll contact you either on the list, or in private, and share their experiences & opinions with you. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Sun May 25 22:06:02 2003 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:35 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Antennas Message-ID: What was the name of that antenna manufacturer mentioned at the last meeting? I'd like to order a panel antenna. Or two. Lost the link. Neal _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Mon May 26 11:54:42 2003 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:35 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Antennas In-Reply-To: ; from nkras@visi.com on Sun, May 25, 2003 at 10:06:02PM -0500 References: Message-ID: <20030526115442.N11528@florence.linkmargin.com> Neal Krasnoff wrote: > > What was the name of that antenna manufacturer mentioned at the last > meeting? I'd like to order a panel antenna. Or two. Dunno if it was the one talked about at the meeting, but I've had good experiences with www.superpass.com, cheap, fast & adequately rugged. -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list