From sulrich at botwerks.org Fri Mar 5 09:06:21 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia: oreilly & assoc. newsletter Message-ID: <20040305150621.GA11251@botwerks.org> monthly newsletter from ORA folks... see attached. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC -------------- next part -------------- ================================================================ O'Reilly UG Program News--Just for User Group Leaders March 4, 2004 ================================================================ -Put Up an O'Reilly ThinkGeek Banner, Get A Free Book ---------------------------------------------------------------- Book Info ---------------------------------------------------------------- ***Review books are available Copies of our books are available for your members to review-- send me an email and please include the book's ISBN number on your request. 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Read it and prepare yourself. http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/excerpt/swarrior_ch14/index1.html --------------------- Java --------------------- ***Configuring JBoss 4.0 JDBC Connectivity JBoss uses the HypersonicDB by default, but with a few configuration changes, it can use any JDBC-equipped database. Deepak Vohra shows how to use Oracle, Sybase, MySQL and other databases with JBoss. http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2004/02/25/jbossjdbc.html --------------------- Web --------------------- ***The Ideal Digital Photographer's Workflow, Part 3 You can achieve greater control over the quality of the images produced by your new digital camera if you shoot them in RAW format. Trouble is, it can take an inordinate amount of time to convert RAW images into something your image-editing program can use. In Part 3 of Ken Milburn's series on creating ideal digital photography workflows, he details several steps you can take to save hours of RAW-process work after every shoot. 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Michael Yaun walks through the design and implementation of a complete end-to-end mobile application that solves these difficult problems. http://www.ondotnet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2004/02/23/mobilewebserviceapps.html ================================================ News From Your Peers ================================================ ***Check out the new O'Reilly User Group Wiki for the latest news You can look for a meeting, user group, or post information any time you want. http://wiki.oreillynet.com/usergroups/view?HomePage Until next time-- Marsee -------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Mar 5 10:30:43 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia: oreilly & assoc. newsletter In-Reply-To: <20040305150621.GA11251@botwerks.org> References: <20040305150621.GA11251@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20040305163043.GD1549@wookimus.net> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Mar 5 11:19:13 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:24 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia: oreilly & assoc. newsletter In-Reply-To: <20040305163043.GD1549@wookimus.net> References: <20040305150621.GA11251@botwerks.org> <20040305163043.GD1549@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040305171913.GG15992@techmonkeys.org> Skipped content of type multipart/signed-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From chewie at wookimus.net Fri Mar 5 11:36:21 2004 From: chewie at wookimus.net (Chad Walstrom) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia: oreilly & assoc. newsletter In-Reply-To: <20040305171913.GG15992@techmonkeys.org> References: <20040305150621.GA11251@botwerks.org> <20040305163043.GD1549@wookimus.net> <20040305171913.GG15992@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: <20040305173621.GJ1549@wookimus.net> On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 11:19:13AM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: > I enjoy reading it, and it's certainly not spam. That's your opinion. > If you don't like it feel free to filter it. > > I believe at one point the group agreed that we wanted this and Steve > went throught the trouble of doing the work with O'Reilly. Your email > was rather inconsiderate. The "group agreed" or the thread died? If the "group agreed" than my complaint is out of line, and I apologize to the group and categorization of Steve as a spammer. If the thread died, then I don't see my request as being unreasonable. I'm not asking the list owners to code a new solution on my behalf, just utilize a functionality of the mailing list to facilitate its users preferences. -- Chad Walstrom http://www.wookimus.net/ assert(expired(knowledge)); /* core dump */ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Fri Mar 5 11:46:04 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia: oreilly & assoc. newsletter In-Reply-To: <20040305171913.GG15992@techmonkeys.org> Message-ID: I agree, and also prefer that we not have topic filters until we get to hundreds of emails per day. Otherwise, the delete key works just fine, and I prefer not to need to go hunting under various rocks to find the pieces. I don't believe the term "administrivia" is misused: this notification is part of the list admin's info shuffle here. I don't see that as protectable "badge turf" . :-) Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Matthew S. Hallacy > > > On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 10:30:43AM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 09:06:21AM -0600, steve ulrich wrote: > > > monthly newsletter from ORA folks... see attached. > > > Title the topic "Vendor Advertisement". That way, Steve can send this > > SPAM to the list like he wants, but those of us who don't want to read > > it can block it from being sent to us using mailman's user > > configuration. > > > I enjoy reading it, and it's certainly not spam. If you don't like it feel > free to filter it. > > I believe at one point the group agreed that we wanted this and Steve > went throught the trouble of doing the work with O'Reilly. Your email > was rather inconsiderate. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Fri Mar 5 12:08:09 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia: oreilly & assoc. newsletter In-Reply-To: <20040305173621.GJ1549@wookimus.net> References: <20040305150621.GA11251@botwerks.org> <20040305163043.GD1549@wookimus.net> <20040305171913.GG15992@techmonkeys.org> <20040305173621.GJ1549@wookimus.net> Message-ID: <20040305180809.GH15992@techmonkeys.org> On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 11:36:21AM -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > The "group agreed" or the thread died? If the "group agreed" than my > complaint is out of line, and I apologize to the group and > categorization of Steve as a spammer. If the thread died, then I don't > see my request as being unreasonable. I believe the 'thread' was Steve standing up and talking in a Cisco meeting room. > I'm not asking the list owners to > code a new solution on my behalf, just utilize a functionality of the > mailing list to facilitate its users preferences. I believe you're clued enough to figure out procmail. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us Fri Mar 5 12:22:07 2004 From: troy.johnson at health.state.mn.us (Troy.A Johnson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia: oreilly & assoc. newsletter Message-ID: >>> chewie@wookimus.net 03/05/04 11:36AM >>> >On Fri, Mar 05, 2004 at 11:19:13AM -0600, Matthew S. Hallacy wrote: >> I enjoy reading it, and it's certainly not spam. >That's your opinion. It's my opinion too. If you want it relabeled, suggest it, don't complain. This list averages less than 2 emails a day. I suppose we could split that into categories, but I don't see a huge email reduction payoff coming from it. :-/ _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From hoff0438 at umn.edu Fri Mar 5 15:13:37 2004 From: hoff0438 at umn.edu (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] administravia: oreilly & assoc. newsletter In-Reply-To: <20040305173621.GJ1549@wookimus.net> Message-ID: While I'm not a SPAM fan, the message _is_ clearly marked as an O'Reilly News Letter. When you see that subject, delete it. I haven't been on the TCWUG list long, but this single topic has generated more traffic than anything else I've seen so far, and it's been one day. Of course, this is my opinion only. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Sun Mar 7 11:44:44 2004 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Meeting Tuesday, March 9th: this is the big fun one! Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From wirelessguyinstpaul at comcast.net Wed Mar 24 21:44:48 2004 From: wirelessguyinstpaul at comcast.net (wireless) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:25 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Young firm provides free wireless access in downtown Greenville, SC Message-ID: <406255B0.2040100@comcast.net> On a business trip to Greenville, SC, I learned at the public library that a new company called Gorilla Networks, Inc. had wired up enough hotspots to nearly blanket the downtown. After a few hitches involving the antenna aimed at the library and some issues with settings in my Windows 2000 laptop computer, I managed to get online from a park bench and then in a restaurant across the street. Since the early March weather was very nice it beat holing up in a dusty corner of a Kinkos and I certainly couldn't beat the price. A flyer at the library included a telephone number to call for questions or problems. It turned out to be the cell phone of one of the owners. He was eager to help and came out to meet me on a sunny Saturday afternoon to ferret out the settings problems that were keeping me off of their network. They support the network through a $500 a month, I think, cable broadband connection. They have so many access points aimed around downtown, he said, that it was unlikely I would even be sharing one with another user. I ran a speed test from http://www.bandwidthplace.com and they clocked in just over 3 megabits. They have an interesting business plan. The free service downtown is one of their principal marketing vehicles. They are selling service to companies that want to have an internet and secure intranet available inside their buildings. They take the internet access off of their open wireless system and bring it inside the business with a series of secure APs and then sign a service contract with the business. If an organization is away from the downtown core, they use a bridge and sometimes a repeater (no more than one) to reach out to their location. They note that companies trying to sell wireless access to roving laptop customers have not been financially successful. So they have found an interesting middle ground. Free wireless access that opens doors for them to write service contracts. When you first try to get onto their network you reach the following "landing page." http://www.gorillanetworks.com/wirelessdowntown/portal/landing.html Patrick Sheehy _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list