Hum, when I worked for Qwest we did a very similar study and field trial and
came up with a lot less cost for Denver back nearly two years ago (2001)
with equipment from Cisco. Even then we could not make the business case
work because our DSL was less costly out of the CO to run to homes and
businesses.

Again when I was at Qwest I did a business case for a Qwest WiFi system
built as an overlay to their remaining Qwest Public Telephones, that are a
loosing business since wireless phones took off.  Placing DSL to existing
Telephone with a WiFi Unit built into the Telephone would make these Qwest
WiFi hot spots as an add on feature to home DSL or Qwest Wireless phone
contracts for less than $5.99 per month.  This was not picked up on back in
2003 because the Business case was not profitable for 22 months, outside the
required less then 12 months due to Qwest poor financial health at the time.

There is already a company (www.implex.net) building out a WiFi or WiMax
system in downtown Minneapolis and St. Paul as I read in an article last
week in the Pioneer Press.
http://www.twincities.com/mld/twincities/business/technology/10040849.htm

I would have many questions regarding this proposals accuracy and business
assumptions and if they considered checking with Implex.net or Stone
Bridge Wireless as to their plans.

Rob Sigmundik
BroadbandWizards, LLC
rsiggy at broadbandwizards.com
  

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   1. Re: Article: City Takes First Step Toward
      CitywideWirelessSystem (Neal Krasnoff)
   2. Re: Article: City Takes First Step
      TowardCitywideWirelessSystem (Haudy Kazemi)
   3. Re: Article: City Takes First Step Toward Citywide
      WirelessSystem (S.  Earl Jarosh)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 3 Nov 2004 07:25:54 -0600
From: "Neal Krasnoff" <nodeengineer at msn.com>
Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Article: City Takes First Step Toward
	CitywideWirelessSystem
To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" <tcwug-list at tcwug.org>
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>"representatives from government, business, citizens, and other 
> stakeholders"

Like TCWUG? ;-)



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 04 Nov 2004 16:00:19 -0600
From: Haudy Kazemi <kaze0010 at umn.edu>
Subject: Re: [TCWUG] Article: City Takes First Step
	TowardCitywideWirelessSystem
To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List <tcwug-list at tcwug.org>
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---start copy/paste---
'The system, which Chief Information Officer Carl Kaiser estimated would
cost as much as $500 million, would be developed and managed by a private
sector partner. The city would provide access to its fiber optic
infrastructure, allow some 900 antennae to be mounted on telephone poles,
and issue bonds to finance it.

The wireless service would be made available to all residents through a
tier-based pricing structure and offered free at access centers throughout
the city, including libraries, kiosks, and fire stations. "The pricing
model will be competitive," he said.

The city would receive a portion of the profits generated by the system,
which would be governed by a board consisting of representatives from
government, business, citizens, and other stakeholders, Kaiser said.'
---end copy/paste---

Looks to me like this is a continuation of the previous pay-to-use access
talked about in the past.  Maybe they are trying to recreate Chaska.net in
Minneapolis.  I wonder how much they are thinking issuing in bonds...the
whole $500 million?  That pricetag is about the same as for some of the
football stadium plans.
http://www.stadiumsofnfl.com/future/VikingsStadium.htm

That board sounds like a rulemaking board for the system that would approve
pricing structures and/or rate hikes for wireless services.  I think Qwest
has something like that with the Minnesota Public Utilities Commission.
http://www.puc.state.mn.us

-hk





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