From benmgroup at earthlink.net Sun Sep 5 17:40:38 2004 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:35 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] WiFi Distance contest: only three days left to post your results! Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Sep 6 01:08:26 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:35 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ckasks's whole city WiFi plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Sep 6 01:57:11 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ckasks's whole city WiFi plan In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From stuart at implex.net Mon Sep 6 10:55:08 2004 From: stuart at implex.net (stuart) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Structured Mesh networks Message-ID: <000001c49429$e33f8f60$6400a8c0@stuart> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From goobert at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 09:14:56 2004 From: goobert at gmail.com (Mr. Gilbert) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ckasks's whole city WiFi plan In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6746a9bd04090707146d1260fd@mail.gmail.com> woudn't this get all the econmoical market people mad upside down? :) ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Cole Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 01:08:26 -0500 Subject: [TCWUG] Ckasks's whole city WiFi plan To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List Haven't seen any mention of the Chaska plan to offer city-wide WiFi at $19.95 to all citizens.. This was in Firday's Star Tribune, starting on page 1 of section A. Interesting!! Chuck _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list -- /goobert@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Tue Sep 7 09:45:37 2004 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ckasks's whole city WiFi plan Message-ID: <200409071445.i87EjcCa003522@dingo.software.umn.edu> Their website is at http://www.chaska.net They have a residential and business wireless coverage map on their site. I think the main difference is one is using directional high gain antennas at the business sites whereas the residential coverage is aimed at your run-of-the-mill laptop wireless NIC without an external antenna. The prices looked good to me :) On 7 Sep 2004, Mr. Gilbert wrote: > woudn't this get all the econmoical market people mad upside down? :) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Chuck Cole > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 01:08:26 -0500 > Subject: [TCWUG] Ckasks's whole city WiFi plan > To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > > > Haven't seen any mention of the Chaska plan to offer city-wide WiFi at > $19.95 to all citizens.. This was in Firday's Star Tribune, starting > on page 1 of section A. > > Interesting!! > > Chuck > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > > > > > -- > /goobert@gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kevin.lombardo at gmail.com Tue Sep 7 12:04:19 2004 From: kevin.lombardo at gmail.com (Kevin Lombardo) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] breezecom and ofdm Message-ID: hello- i live in a rural area and have few options for broadband. i was perusing through wireless options when i found a company call Alvarion which produces a product line called Breezecom - i'm sure many people on this list know of them. anyway, they advertise their products as utilizing OFDM and they claim they can get ranges up to 31 miles in a Non-Line-Of-Sight environment. do these devices really work? can they really get 31 miles without line-of-sight? i realize that they are expensive products, but if they work, a small ISP could be set up in a rural environment for relatively cheap. just seems like a cool product line if it works... _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Tue Sep 7 12:25:40 2004 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Gopher Amaetur Radio Club Meeting Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 We are having our first meeting of the school year tonight at 7:00pm in EECs 3-180 (same place as TCLUG meetings) on the U of M campus. Tonight's topic is: Wardriving and Wireless Security Presented by: Ben Kochie (me!) and Paul Dokas. Map and info is here: http://onestop.umn.edu/Maps/EE/CSci/index.html http://w0yc.umn.edu - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBPe8XflzKmtpiQEMRAoA7AJ9W7ZLoIS2hQGB9CB8Jt5MHUXNergCfV1nQ iOHgawIiAwsqqba0euknVo4= =s2oq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Tue Sep 7 12:27:12 2004 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] breezecom and ofdm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I've personaly never had good luck with breezecom products.. atleast not as much preformance/reliability I would expect from a company selling $1500 access points. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Tue, 7 Sep 2004, Kevin Lombardo wrote: > hello- > > i live in a rural area and have few options for broadband. i was > perusing through wireless options when i found a company call Alvarion > which produces a product line called Breezecom - i'm sure many people > on this list know of them. > > anyway, they advertise their products as utilizing OFDM and they claim > they can get ranges up to 31 miles in a Non-Line-Of-Sight environment. > > do these devices really work? can they really get 31 miles without > line-of-sight? > > i realize that they are expensive products, but if they work, a small > ISP could be set up in a rural environment for relatively cheap. > > just seems like a cool product line if it works... > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBPe9zflzKmtpiQEMRAqM6AJ4+pfq+oRVy3AXugTwZ37qzxNTAkQCfcd2r 5crmFKNIASuf/hiaEeU5tbQ= =REfm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Tue Sep 7 13:07:23 2004 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] breezecom and ofdm Message-ID: <200409071807.i87I7N6m012081@challenge.software.umn.edu> On 7 Sep 2004, Kevin Lombardo wrote: > hello- > > i live in a rural area and have few options for broadband. i was > perusing through wireless options when i found a company call Alvarion > which produces a product line called Breezecom - i'm sure many people > on this list know of them. > > anyway, they advertise their products as utilizing OFDM and they claim > they can get ranges up to 31 miles in a Non-Line-Of-Sight environment. > > do these devices really work? can they really get 31 miles without > line-of-sight? OFDM is used for 802.11a,g and 802.16 (WiMax). WiMax reportedly can go long distances under NLOS conditions. 802.11b has gone over 31 miles in LOS conditions... YMMV... _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From andyw at pobox.com Tue Sep 7 17:29:38 2004 From: andyw at pobox.com (Andy Warner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] New law review article on whether wardriving is legal (fwd) Message-ID: <20040907172938.C7130@florence.linkmargin.com> This was posted today to the nycwireless list. The article mentioned is quite dry, and many pages have footnotes that take up half the page. I doubt there is anything new technical in there for people on this list, but I think it's a worthwhile reference. ----- Begin forwarded message ----- Subject: Article on wardriving Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 19:33:39 -0600 From: Patrick S. Ryan Organization: PSRLaw Firm, LLC To: declan@well.com Declan, I just published a law-review article that considers wardriving and, more broadly, disclosure policies. I conclude that wardriving is legal and that there is an intriguing movement afoot among "hackers" to form an ethical code. I am doing a bit of promotion of my article -- it is freely available either on SSRN or online at the Virgina Journal of Law & Technology's site. Here are the details if you would like to pass it along to Politech readers. Patrick S. Ryan, "War, Peace, or Stalemate: Wargames, Wardialing, Wardriving, and the Emerging Market for Hacker Ethics," Virginia Journal of Law & Technology, Vol. 9, No. 7, Summer 2004, available at http://ssrn.com/abstract=585867. Best, Patrick ----- End forwarded message ----- -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From arif at visi.com Tue Sep 7 22:38:26 2004 From: arif at visi.com (arif) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] local source for pigtail connector? Message-ID: <8B4494B3-0148-11D9-877B-000A95CD31AA@visi.com> hey folks, I'm wondering if anyone knows a good local source for a pigtail connector - I need to connect an antenna to my linksys wap54g, and thought I'd try to buy locally before ordering online. Thanks, Arif _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From poptix at poptix.net Wed Sep 8 11:23:39 2004 From: poptix at poptix.net (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] breezecom and ofdm In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040908162339.GB2829@momentum.poptix.net> I've had nothing but bad experiences with BreezeCom/Alvarion, that said: They can claim whatever they wish, what you should do is ask for a demo setup that you can test for a month or however long. Set it up, watch it fail to live up to expectations (as usual) then kindly ship it back to them and say no thanks. On Tue, Sep 07, 2004 at 12:04:19PM -0500, Kevin Lombardo wrote: > hello- > > i live in a rural area and have few options for broadband. i was > perusing through wireless options when i found a company call Alvarion > which produces a product line called Breezecom - i'm sure many people > on this list know of them. > > anyway, they advertise their products as utilizing OFDM and they claim > they can get ranges up to 31 miles in a Non-Line-Of-Sight environment. > > do these devices really work? can they really get 31 miles without > line-of-sight? > > i realize that they are expensive products, but if they work, a small > ISP could be set up in a rural environment for relatively cheap. > > just seems like a cool product line if it works... "If it sounds to good to be true ..." -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Wed Sep 8 10:17:50 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Structured Mesh networks In-Reply-To: <000001c49429$e33f8f60$6400a8c0@stuart> References: <000001c49429$e33f8f60$6400a8c0@stuart> Message-ID: <20040908151749.GA9617@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Monday, Sep 06, 2004), stuart was madly tapping out: > I am doing some research on structured Mesh networks using Soekris > mother boards and Mesh Dynamics software. www.meshdynamics.com I > have done some testing with the Locustworlds open source meshing > software, but have found that as the number of hops increases, the > performance decreases substantially. From what I understand it is > do to the single radio AP repeater architecture. A Structured Mesh > uses dual and tri-band AP's to utilize different frequencies for the > backhaul and client communications and thus performs better as hops > are added, at lest that's what they claim. > > Has anyone out there built any mesh networks that might have any > input or might be interested in helping me test the Mesh Dynamics > system? Jay, Brad you just deployed the Tropos system in Chaska, do > you have any thoughts? > stuart- just to follow up on this a bit. you're right about the single vs. multiple radio benefits from a performance perspective. i haven't played with the meshdynamics stuff, but i have played with the locustworld stuff on my own with a couple of nodes just to monkey with AODV implemention. in poking at the meshdynamics stuff, it's not really clear what they're doing from a control plane perspective. it looks to be some sort of enhanced BCP, but in glossing over their stuff briefly i wasn't certain. they make references to what they call "network switch stacks" in their documentation, which to me is just marketingdorkese for access, agg & core. i haven't had time to play with the creation of p-t-p backbone links running a real L3 routing protocol (read: OSPF) over them which requires multi-radio platforms to provide the BB and access links that are required. perhaps now that the house remodelling is coming to a conclusion i'll be able to find some time for that. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From goobert at gmail.com Wed Sep 8 14:13:57 2004 From: goobert at gmail.com (Mr. Gilbert) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:36 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Ckasks's whole city WiFi plan In-Reply-To: <200409071445.i87EjcCa003522@dingo.software.umn.edu> References: <200409071445.i87EjcCa003522@dingo.software.umn.edu> Message-ID: <6746a9bd04090812134df829@mail.gmail.com> hey are they gonna do one for lakeville or are we too goofy still? On Tue, 07 Sep 2004 09:45:37 CDT, Haudy Kazemi wrote: > Their website is at http://www.chaska.net > They have a residential and business wireless coverage map on their site. > I think the main difference is one is using directional high gain antennas > at the business sites whereas the residential coverage is aimed at your > run-of-the-mill laptop wireless NIC without an external antenna. The > prices looked good to me :) > > > > On 7 Sep 2004, Mr. Gilbert wrote: > > woudn't this get all the econmoical market people mad upside down? :) > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Chuck Cole > > Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 01:08:26 -0500 > > Subject: [TCWUG] Ckasks's whole city WiFi plan > > To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List > > > > > > Haven't seen any mention of the Chaska plan to offer city-wide WiFi at > > $19.95 to all citizens.. This was in Firday's Star Tribune, starting > > on page 1 of section A. > > > > Interesting!! > > > > Chuck > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > http://www.tcwug.org > > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > /goobert@gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > > Minnesota > > http://www.tcwug.org > > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -- /goobert@gmail.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From rsiggy101 at yahoo.com Sun Sep 12 10:10:42 2004 From: rsiggy101 at yahoo.com (Rob) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <000e01c498da$b668caf0$0400a8c0@rdslaptop> Hello all, I believe StoneBridge Wireless here in the TC is using BreezeCom as per their Web site info under FAQ section. FAQ: Who designed the radio units? StoneBridge Wireless uses radio units made by Alvarion formally named BreezeCom. They are an Israeli outfit, originally named LanAir, that designed these systems for use in tank-to-tank, and tank-to-HQ, real-time communication for telemetry and computer communication for the Israeli military. Each unit is programmable to use different frequency hopping patterns within the 79 frequencies in the spectrum, and to hop between these frequencies at 10-30 times per second. A client radio picks up this sequence from the sending unit and they hop in an identical pattern. Individual packets can be lost or dropped and there is no data loss. For more info on StoneBridge go to: http://www.sbwireless.net/faq.htm -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of tcwug-list-request@tcwug.org Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 12:00 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 4 Today's Topics: 1. Re: breezecom and ofdm (Matthew S. Hallacy) 2. Re: Structured Mesh networks (steve ulrich) 3. Re: Ckasks's whole city WiFi plan (Mr. Gilbert) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2004 11:23:39 -0500 From: "Matthew S. Hallacy" Subject: Re: [TCWUG] breezecom and ofdm To: Kevin Lombardo , Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List Message-ID: <20040908162339.GB2829@momentum.poptix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've had nothing but bad experiences with BreezeCom/Alvarion, that said: They can claim whatever they wish, what you should do is ask for a demo setup that you can test for a month or however long. Set it up, watch it fail to live up to expectations (as usual) then kindly ship it back to them and say no thanks. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Sun Sep 12 11:49:16 2004 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] TCWUG meeting Tuesday Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Sun Sep 12 11:50:03 2004 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] New coordinator needed Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Mon Sep 13 11:55:48 2004 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] TCWUG meeting Tuesday In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040913115548.01abfd50@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Oh well...it seems to me that there aren't too many folks with wardriving configs/antennas, hence the lack of interest. (which is unfortunate). I plan on being there tomorrow. At 11:49 AM 9/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>>> We had hoped to hold this meeting at the winning location in the WiFi distance contest, but as there were no entries, were back at the Dunn Bros. Next meeting: Tuesday, September 14th, 6:00 to 8:00 pm Dunn Bros 201 3rd Avenue Minneapolis, MN 55401 612-692-8530 (on the same block as the Milwaukee Road Depot hotel and skating rink) Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt Limited parking behind the building, plenty of on-street parking near-by. See you there! -- Ben Nelson 612.685.9116 cell benmgroup@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list <<<< "If you're reading this, read it again." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From twhittet at earthlink.net Mon Sep 13 14:22:17 2004 From: twhittet at earthlink.net (Shane Whittet) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] TCWUG meeting Tuesday Message-ID: <30556472.1095103338070.JavaMail.root@gonzo.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Hi, I haven't goone to a meeting before. I am interested in some sort of shared community internet access via a wireless network. Is anyone in the group interested in that? Shane Software Developer (open Linksys by 46th St and Bloomington Ave S, 55407) -----Original Message----- From: Haudy Kazemi Sent: Sep 13, 2004 11:55 AM To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List Subject: Re: [TCWUG] TCWUG meeting Tuesday Oh well...it seems to me that there aren't too many folks with wardriving configs/antennas, hence the lack of interest. (which is unfortunate). I plan on being there tomorrow. At 11:49 AM 9/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: >>>> We had hoped to hold this meeting at the winning location in the WiFi distance contest, but as there were no entries, were back at the Dunn Bros. Next meeting: Tuesday, September 14th, 6:00 to 8:00 pm Dunn Bros 201 3rd Avenue Minneapolis, MN 55401 612-692-8530 (on the same block as the Milwaukee Road Depot hotel and skating rink) Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt Limited parking behind the building, plenty of on-street parking near-by. See you there! -- Ben Nelson 612.685.9116 cell benmgroup@earthlink.net _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list <<<< "If you're reading this, read it again." _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From cncole at earthlink.net Mon Sep 13 19:19:01 2004 From: cncole at earthlink.net (Chuck Cole) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: <000e01c498da$b668caf0$0400a8c0@rdslaptop> Message-ID: I asked about the Stonebridge service and barfed before the rep finished telling me about all the fees and restrictions. The web site has little or no technical info or prices. It's only a home or business service that uses WiFi. It is NOT also a WiFi service that allows roaming around town. Being a subscriber does not enable you to use a laptop with WiFi and roam about in their service area. An installation typically requires a special outside directional antenna and a CAT5 connection from that to your router, whatever that may be (ie, wired and/or wireless for your site). Their coverage maps look good: they seem to cover most of the greater Twin Cities metro and outskirts already. You pay an installation charge but may not own the equipment (barfed before getting all details here). * it's not ordinary 802.11b. Might be encrupted 802.11b however. * Apparently, they use an antenna that has their wireless card built into/onto the antenna. * CAT5 cable runs from the antenna to your router vicinity, where they place a "converter" that supplies power to the antenns via the CAT5 cable. Residential rates are based upon a usage profile or maybe even metered usage. I really barfed when their rep started asking whether I would use the service more than 4 hours during the day. He seemed to have begun telling me of several residential usage levels with corresponding prices. My patience was too thin for this. Maybe it makes sense, but the lack of solid info on the web site and the poor info by the rep killed my patience to find out this week. Seems like vaporware or a "service" one couldn't trust at all... etc. YMMV. Chuck > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Rob > Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:11 AM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 4 > > > Hello all, > > I believe StoneBridge Wireless here in the TC is using BreezeCom as per > their Web site info under FAQ section. > > FAQ: Who designed the radio units? > StoneBridge Wireless uses radio units made by Alvarion formally named > BreezeCom. They are an Israeli outfit, originally named LanAir, that > designed these systems for use in tank-to-tank, and tank-to-HQ, real-time > communication for telemetry and computer communication for the Israeli > military. Each unit is programmable to use different frequency hopping > patterns within the 79 frequencies in the spectrum, and to hop between > these frequencies at 10-30 times per second. A client radio picks up this > sequence from the sending unit and they hop in an identical pattern. > Individual packets can be lost or dropped and there is no data loss. > > For more info on StoneBridge go to: > http://www.sbwireless.net/faq.htm > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Mon Sep 13 22:26:44 2004 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 4 In-Reply-To: References: <000e01c498da$b668caf0$0400a8c0@rdslaptop> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040913222644.01abfd50@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Rob said they're using Breezecom gear, and I myself saw one installation at a small company in the western metro area using Breezecom gear. My experience with Breezecom APs and PCMCIA nics is that they are 802.11 (original) maxing out around 3mbps. 802.11 original uses DSSS or FHSS (Frequency Hopping Spread Spectrum), 802.11b uses DSSS and 802.11g uses OFDM. The Breezecom system used the 802.11 FHSS method, which is incompatible with DSSS equipment. As FHSS isn't used by 802.11b, it means that there are very few wireless cards that can talk to the Stonebridge system or even detect it for that matter. Even if they don't have encrypted links, they have decent security-thru-obscurity, at least from the run-of-the-mill wireless wardrivers. What kind of prices were they offering? http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/8/802_11.html http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2001/03/02/802.11b_facts.html At 07:19 PM 9/13/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I asked about the Stonebridge service and barfed before the rep finished telling me about all the fees and restrictions. The web >site has little or no technical info or prices. > >It's only a home or business service that uses WiFi. It is NOT also a WiFi service that allows roaming around town. Being a >subscriber does not enable you to use a laptop with WiFi and roam about in their service area. > >An installation typically requires a special outside directional antenna and a CAT5 connection from that to your router, whatever >that may be (ie, wired and/or wireless for your site). > >Their coverage maps look good: they seem to cover most of the greater Twin Cities metro and outskirts already. > >You pay an installation charge but may not own the equipment (barfed before getting all details here). >* it's not ordinary 802.11b. Might be encrupted 802.11b however. >* Apparently, they use an antenna that has their wireless card built into/onto the antenna. >* CAT5 cable runs from the antenna to your router vicinity, > where they place a "converter" that supplies power to the antenns via the CAT5 cable. > >Residential rates are based upon a usage profile or maybe even metered usage. I really barfed when their rep started asking whether >I would use the service more than 4 hours during the day. He seemed to have begun telling me of several residential usage levels >with corresponding prices. > >My patience was too thin for this. Maybe it makes sense, but the lack of solid info on the web site and the poor info by the rep >killed my patience to find out this week. Seems like vaporware or a "service" one couldn't trust at all... etc. YMMV. > > >Chuck > > > > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org >> [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Rob >> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 10:11 AM >> To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org >> Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 4 >> >> >> Hello all, >> >> I believe StoneBridge Wireless here in the TC is using BreezeCom as per >> their Web site info under FAQ section. >> >> FAQ: Who designed the radio units? >> StoneBridge Wireless uses radio units made by Alvarion formally named >> BreezeCom. They are an Israeli outfit, originally named LanAir, that >> designed these systems for use in tank-to-tank, and tank-to-HQ, real-time >> communication for telemetry and computer communication for the Israeli >> military. Each unit is programmable to use different frequency hopping >> patterns within the 79 frequencies in the spectrum, and to hop between >> these frequencies at 10-30 times per second. A client radio picks up this >> sequence from the sending unit and they hop in an identical pattern. >> Individual packets can be lost or dropped and there is no data loss. >> >> For more info on StoneBridge go to: >> http://www.sbwireless.net/faq.htm >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From jethro at freakzilla.com Mon Sep 13 23:08:24 2004 From: jethro at freakzilla.com (Yaron) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? Message-ID: Ok... I've had enough of this Netgear AP. Sure, it has an actual firewall built in, and a printer port, but the range on it is CRAP. I can't get decent reception one level up or down inside my own house, and I'm fairly sure I stripped all the lead paint! Even when I plugged an omnidirectional antenna to it, I still got pretty bad reception. with any device I use. So, what brands do you guys recommend for better connectivity? -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Sep 13 23:41:55 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040914044155.GA8153@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Monday, Sep 13, 2004), Yaron was madly tapping out: > Ok... > > I've had enough of this Netgear AP. Sure, it has an actual firewall > built in, and a printer port, but the range on it is CRAP. I can't > get decent reception one level up or down inside my own house, and > I'm fairly sure I stripped all the lead paint! Even when I plugged > an omnidirectional antenna to it, I still got pretty bad reception. > with any device I use. > > So, what brands do you guys recommend for better connectivity? if money is no object, i recommend the cisco APs, i've got an 1100 w/the G RF deck in it and i really like having all of the flexibility that it affords, the only downside are the relatively poor options, i.e., none. (disclaimer: i'm an engineer for cisco) for really cost effective consumer grade gear, i've been pretty impressed with the linksys wrt54g for which, there are several free linux based firmware enhancements. the RF deck is as decent as the others in the consumer space and the software features are great, especially if you're using something other than the stock linksys images. a definite plus with these is the ease with which you can replace the external rubber duck antennas. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Tue Sep 14 09:19:43 2004 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I personaly use a Soekris box with a netgate prism2 card and Linux hostAP. I bridge this interface with my NAT network. I gave a Linksys WAP54G to my parrents.. it's farily nice, I get good coverage on all 3 floors of their house. (AP in basement) - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 13 Sep 2004, Yaron wrote: > Ok... > > I've had enough of this Netgear AP. Sure, it has an actual firewall built in, > and a printer port, but the range on it is CRAP. I can't get decent reception > one level up or down inside my own house, and I'm fairly sure I stripped all > the lead paint! Even when I plugged an omnidirectional antenna to it, I still > got pretty bad reception. with any device I use. > > So, what brands do you guys recommend for better connectivity? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBRv4CflzKmtpiQEMRAjcVAKCXKaZ4P7iXQLBe2mu0AIT1LVMCLwCcDVMp tNgK/lJr9IHHSpY9NVq7tmM= =+fug -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From earl at jarosh.org Tue Sep 14 20:36:46 2004 From: earl at jarosh.org (S. Earl Jarosh) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:37 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] TCWUG meeting Tuesday References: <3.0.5.32.20040913115548.01abfd50@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <00c101c49ac4$78a82710$6402000a@D32B5L01> I know of two groups that were out there trying and they could see it but could not establish a connection, therefore could not transfer a file, therefore could not prove a connection, therefore did not enter. A lot of "therefores". I am reporting hearsay from people to which I forwarded the contest information. I did not have the time to chase it myself. Was there a missing element of critical information pertaining to the contest? Cheers, S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ 6128681313@mobile.att.net searljarosh@moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haudy Kazemi" To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:55 AM Subject: Re: [TCWUG] TCWUG meeting Tuesday > Oh well...it seems to me that there aren't too many folks with wardriving > configs/antennas, hence the lack of interest. (which is unfortunate). I > plan on being there tomorrow. > > > At 11:49 AM 9/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >>>> > We had hoped to hold this meeting at the winning location in the WiFi > distance contest, but as there were no entries, were back at the Dunn Bros. > > Next meeting: Tuesday, September 14th, 6:00 to 8:00 pm > > Dunn Bros > 201 3rd Avenue > Minneapolis, MN 55401 > 612-692-8530 > (on the same block as the Milwaukee Road Depot hotel and skating rink) > > Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt > > Limited parking behind the building, plenty of on-street parking near-by. > > See you there! > > -- > Ben Nelson > 612.685.9116 cell > benmgroup@earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > <<<< > > > > "If you're reading this, read it again." > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From chris at feyen.net Tue Sep 14 21:38:57 2004 From: chris at feyen.net (Chris Feyen) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: That's too bad. I use a Netgear mr814 802.11b, and I get ok reception thru out the my house. AP is in basement, sitting on PC on the floor, and I get ok reception on 2nd floor. -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Yaron Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:08 PM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? Ok... I've had enough of this Netgear AP. Sure, it has an actual firewall built in, and a printer port, but the range on it is CRAP. I can't get decent reception one level up or down inside my own house, and I'm fairly sure I stripped all the lead paint! Even when I plugged an omnidirectional antenna to it, I still got pretty bad reception. with any device I use. So, what brands do you guys recommend for better connectivity? -Yaron -- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From earl at jarosh.org Wed Sep 15 00:52:00 2004 From: earl at jarosh.org (S. Earl Jarosh) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? References: Message-ID: <013101c49ae8$1f6d1830$6402000a@D32B5L01> Don't forget to unplug and turn off all the 2.4 GHz DSSS cordless phones in the house to improve your 802.11b reception and connectivity. Better yet, replace them with the non interfering 5.8 GHz DSSS cordless phones. :-) S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ 6128681313@mobile.att.net searljarosh@moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Feyen" To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:38 PM Subject: RE: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > That's too bad. I use a Netgear mr814 802.11b, and I get ok reception thru > out the my house. AP is in basement, sitting on PC on the floor, and I get > ok reception on 2nd floor. > > -----Original Message----- > From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Yaron > Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:08 PM > To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > > > Ok... > > I've had enough of this Netgear AP. Sure, it has an actual firewall built > in, and a printer port, but the range on it is CRAP. I can't get decent > reception one level up or down inside my own house, and I'm fairly sure I > stripped all the lead paint! Even when I plugged an omnidirectional > antenna to it, I still got pretty bad reception. with any device I use. > > So, what brands do you guys recommend for better connectivity? > > > -Yaron > > -- > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Wed Sep 15 10:57:27 2004 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? In-Reply-To: <013101c49ae8$1f6d1830$6402000a@D32B5L01> References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040915105727.01abfd50@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Or watch Goodwill, Salvation Army, or garage sales for cheap 900mhz phones. That's what I did when my cordless 2.4ghz Sony phone interfered with my WLAN. At 12:52 AM 9/15/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Don't forget to unplug and turn off all the 2.4 GHz DSSS cordless phones in >the house to improve your 802.11b reception and connectivity. Better yet, >replace them with the non interfering 5.8 GHz DSSS cordless phones. :-) > >S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ >6128681313@mobile.att.net >searljarosh@moneycenters.com >www.moneycenters.com > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Feyen" >To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" >Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:38 PM >Subject: RE: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > > >> That's too bad. I use a Netgear mr814 802.11b, and I get ok reception >thru >> out the my house. AP is in basement, sitting on PC on the floor, and I >get >> ok reception on 2nd floor. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org >> [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Yaron >> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:08 PM >> To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org >> Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? >> >> >> Ok... >> >> I've had enough of this Netgear AP. Sure, it has an actual firewall built >> in, and a printer port, but the range on it is CRAP. I can't get decent >> reception one level up or down inside my own house, and I'm fairly sure I >> stripped all the lead paint! Even when I plugged an omnidirectional >> antenna to it, I still got pretty bad reception. with any device I use. >> >> So, what brands do you guys recommend for better connectivity? >> >> >> -Yaron >> >> -- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota >> http://www.tcwug.org >> tcwug-list@tcwug.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >Minnesota >> http://www.tcwug.org >> tcwug-list@tcwug.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From plmnwater at yahoo.com Wed Sep 15 11:29:46 2004 From: plmnwater at yahoo.com (Dave W.) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040915105727.01abfd50@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040915162946.56544.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Except that cheap 900mhz phones can easily be listened to. --- Haudy Kazemi wrote: > Or watch Goodwill, Salvation Army, or garage sales for cheap 900mhz > phones. > That's what I did when my cordless 2.4ghz Sony phone interfered with > my WLAN. > > At 12:52 AM 9/15/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >Don't forget to unplug and turn off all the 2.4 GHz DSSS cordless > phones in > >the house to improve your 802.11b reception and connectivity. > Better yet, > >replace them with the non interfering 5.8 GHz DSSS cordless phones. > :-) > > > >S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ > >6128681313@mobile.att.net > >searljarosh@moneycenters.com > >www.moneycenters.com > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chris Feyen" > >To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" > >Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:38 PM > >Subject: RE: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > > > > > >> That's too bad. I use a Netgear mr814 802.11b, and I get ok > reception > >thru > >> out the my house. AP is in basement, sitting on PC on the floor, > and I > >get > >> ok reception on 2nd floor. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > >> [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Yaron > >> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:08 PM > >> To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > >> Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > >> > >> > >> Ok... > >> > >> I've had enough of this Netgear AP. Sure, it has an actual > firewall built > >> in, and a printer port, but the range on it is CRAP. I can't get > decent > >> reception one level up or down inside my own house, and I'm fairly > sure I > >> stripped all the lead paint! Even when I plugged an > omnidirectional > >> antenna to it, I still got pretty bad reception. with any device I > use. > >> > >> So, what brands do you guys recommend for better connectivity? > >> > >> > >> -Yaron > >> > >> -- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, > >> Minnesota > >> http://www.tcwug.org > >> tcwug-list@tcwug.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, > >Minnesota > >> http://www.tcwug.org > >> tcwug-list@tcwug.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, > Minnesota > >http://www.tcwug.org > >tcwug-list@tcwug.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com Wed Sep 15 11:17:58 2004 From: john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com (John T. Hoffoss) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:38 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040915105727.01abfd50@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> References: <013101c49ae8$1f6d1830$6402000a@D32B5L01> <3.0.5.32.20040915105727.01abfd50@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <914f813c0409150917521f8ed6@mail.gmail.com> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:57:27 -0500, Haudy Kazemi wrote: > Or watch Goodwill, Salvation Army, or garage sales for cheap 900mhz phones. > That's what I did when my cordless 2.4ghz Sony phone interfered with my WLAN. Or just use your cellul... _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mail at RobWentworth.com Wed Sep 15 16:35:50 2004 From: mail at RobWentworth.com (Rob Wentworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? References: <013101c49ae8$1f6d1830$6402000a@D32B5L01><3.0.5.32.20040915105727.01abfd50@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> <914f813c0409150917521f8ed6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <001101c49b6b$f8d60cc0$d501a8c0@server> I have been using a cheap analog 900 MHz phone for the past year, but a few weeks ago it became almost useless with many chips clicks and pops per minute (much worse than a digital cellphone with a weak signal) -- I suspect an interfering device in the neighborhood. It only works reliably within a few feet of the base unit. I was going to pick up a cheap 2.4 GHz cordless phone until I read this thread. The problem is that I use both 802.11b (2.4 GHz) and 802.11a (5 GHz) here. Would the 5.6 GHz phones interfere with my 802.11a? I wonder if a 900 MHz spread spectrum phone would work here (if I can still find one)... Another problem -- my house has vinyl-clad steel siding and my laptop only sees my WAP line-of-sight (through a window). It does not seem to go through the outer walls (grounded metal). I have been thinking of sticking the WAP on a pole over the house... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John T. Hoffoss" To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:57:27 -0500, Haudy Kazemi wrote: >> Or watch Goodwill, Salvation Army, or garage sales for cheap 900mhz >> phones. >> That's what I did when my cordless 2.4ghz Sony phone interfered with my >> WLAN. > > > Or just use your cellul... > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Wed Sep 15 17:44:52 2004 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? In-Reply-To: <001101c49b6b$f8d60cc0$d501a8c0@server> References: <013101c49ae8$1f6d1830$6402000a@D32B5L01> <3.0.5.32.20040915105727.01abfd50@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> <914f813c0409150917521f8ed6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040915174452.01bca9f8@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> I have had clicking/popping issues with both 900 mhz and 2.4 ghz phones. It all comes down to the level of competing interference in your area. You could probably use a 2.4ghz phone as long as it was labeled as wifi-friendly (I've seen some) and as long as you kept the phone base away from your AP. Or to get really fancy get one of those Cisco cordless SIP/Wifi phones that can use your WLAN directly. They look a lot like a cell phone and I think they're only a few hundred dollars... ;) At 04:35 PM 9/15/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I have been using a cheap analog 900 MHz phone for the past year, but a few >weeks ago it became almost useless with many chips clicks and pops per >minute (much worse than a digital cellphone with a weak signal) -- I suspect >an interfering device in the neighborhood. It only works reliably within a >few feet of the base unit. I was going to pick up a cheap 2.4 GHz cordless >phone until I read this thread. > >The problem is that I use both 802.11b (2.4 GHz) and 802.11a (5 GHz) here. >Would the 5.6 GHz phones interfere with my 802.11a? > >I wonder if a 900 MHz spread spectrum phone would work here (if I can still >find one)... > >Another problem -- my house has vinyl-clad steel siding and my laptop only >sees my WAP line-of-sight (through a window). It does not seem to go through >the outer walls (grounded metal). I have been thinking of sticking the WAP >on a pole over the house... > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John T. Hoffoss" >To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" >Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:17 AM >Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > > >> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:57:27 -0500, Haudy Kazemi wrote: >>> Or watch Goodwill, Salvation Army, or garage sales for cheap 900mhz >>> phones. >>> That's what I did when my cordless 2.4ghz Sony phone interfered with my >>> WLAN. >> >> >> Or just use your cellul... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota >> http://www.tcwug.org >> tcwug-list@tcwug.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From poptix at techmonkeys.org Wed Sep 15 19:31:31 2004 From: poptix at techmonkeys.org (Matthew S. Hallacy) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? In-Reply-To: <013101c49ae8$1f6d1830$6402000a@D32B5L01> References: <013101c49ae8$1f6d1830$6402000a@D32B5L01> Message-ID: <20040916003131.GH2829@momentum.poptix.net> On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 12:52:00AM -0500, S. Earl Jarosh wrote: > Don't forget to unplug and turn off all the 2.4 GHz DSSS cordless phones in > the house to improve your 802.11b reception and connectivity. Better yet, > replace them with the non interfering 5.8 GHz DSSS cordless phones. :-) > Shame on you, 5.8GHz cordless phones pollute 802.11a 5.8GHz cordless phones are only 5.8GHz from the base to the handheld, the handheld uses 2.4ghz to talk to the base, which means you're polluting *both* bands. Go back to 900mhz, you don't need 16 phones spread throughout your house. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Wed Sep 15 19:58:40 2004 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: What AP do you use? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040915174452.01bca9f8@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> References: <013101c49ae8$1f6d1830$6402000a@D32B5L01> <3.0.5.32.20040915105727.01abfd50@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> <914f813c0409150917521f8ed6@mail.gmail.com> <3.0.5.32.20040915174452.01bca9f8@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040916005840.GF17032@ringworld.org> * Haudy Kazemi [040915 17:59]: > could probably use a 2.4ghz phone as long as it was labeled as > wifi-friendly (I've seen some) and as long as you kept the phone base away I've been using the Uniden EXI3246 phones for a few months, the audio popping is bearable compared to most phones so we've kept them. The Siemens FHSS gigaset phones, for all you'd think that FHSS is the way to go, are crap. They click and pop like nuts and they cause echos back out to the PSTN -- a huge bad crappy thing when your using them with VoIP. -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ -- http://www.railworks.org/ -- http://publictransportation.org/ -- Stop "playing political splat ball," support the Northstar Train! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From earl at jarosh.org Thu Sep 16 05:03:13 2004 From: earl at jarosh.org (S. Earl Jarosh) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:39 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? References: <013101c49ae8$1f6d1830$6402000a@D32B5L01> <20040916003131.GH2829@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <005201c49bd4$659e1f10$8700a8c0@D32B5L01> > Shame on you, > 5.8GHz cordless phones pollute 802.11a Ok, however there is little 802.11a easily and cheaply obtainable on the market anymore for the home user. It has been pushed to the commerical point to point or Canopy type systems. > 5.8GHz cordless phones are only 5.8GHz from the base to the handheld, the > handheld uses 2.4ghz to talk to the base, which means you're polluting > *both* bands. Large general statement that does not apply to all or even most 5.8GHz phones. However, the key is to not have the base on 2.4 and the talkback channel interference can be managed by channel selection on the 802.11b device. 5.8GHz and 802.11b/g devices coexist well in a home environment. > Go back to 900mhz, you don't need 16 phones spread throughout your house. Ok, sure! Agreed! Now back to reality. Companies have all but discontinued the manufacture of 900Mhz phones and the remaining stuff out there is junk. Maybe this is a good reason why an open RF market driven by manufacturing without Frequency coordination is a bad idea at best and chaotic at worst. I guess nothing was learned from the CB debacle of the 70's, the FRS/GMRS debacle and now WAPs. To come will be RFID tags, unshielded BPL technology, longer duration low power datastreams like bi-directional communicating car starters, garage door openers, Bluetooth and more. Consider if the Cellular industry had been developed like the 802.xxx world. You get what you vote for with cheap dollars. What was that about pollution? Maybe Michael Powell is not the best guy to head up the national RF infrastructure? ANY technical expertise might be a plus. Now I go back to stealth mode, I hope. S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ 6128681313@mobile.att.net searljarosh@moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From jstrohfus at homepages-etc.com Thu Sep 16 08:57:42 2004 From: jstrohfus at homepages-etc.com (John D. Strohfus) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] RE: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: For what it's worth I have a Motorola (MD481) with 2 handsets. It's 2.4 Ghz with the base station location on my 2nd level almost directly above my AP (Linksys WAP11 old school style!). I use a laptop via WLAN in the same room as the phone base station and rarely experience any conflicts either on the phone or on the WLAN. - John _________________________ Homepages Etc., Inc. Internet Consulting Services 6870 Sherwood Road Woodbury, MN 55125 Phone: (877) 471-2057 Fax: (877) 471-2057 Cell: (612) 384-5023 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org] On Behalf Of tcwug-list-request@tcwug.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:39 AM To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Send tcwug-list mailing list submissions to tcwug-list@tcwug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tcwug-list-request@tcwug.org You can reach the person managing the list at tcwug-list-owner@tcwug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tcwug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: What AP do you use? (Dave W.) 2. Re: What AP do you use? (John T. Hoffoss) 3. Re: What AP do you use? (Rob Wentworth) 4. Re: What AP do you use? (Haudy Kazemi) 5. Re: What AP do you use? (Matthew S. Hallacy) 6. Re: What AP do you use? (Scott Dier) 7. Re: What AP do you use? (S. Earl Jarosh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:29:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave W." Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List Message-ID: <20040915162946.56544.qmail@web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Except that cheap 900mhz phones can easily be listened to. --- Haudy Kazemi wrote: > Or watch Goodwill, Salvation Army, or garage sales for cheap 900mhz > phones. > That's what I did when my cordless 2.4ghz Sony phone interfered with > my WLAN. > > At 12:52 AM 9/15/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >Don't forget to unplug and turn off all the 2.4 GHz DSSS cordless > phones in > >the house to improve your 802.11b reception and connectivity. > Better yet, > >replace them with the non interfering 5.8 GHz DSSS cordless phones. > :-) > > > >S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ > >6128681313@mobile.att.net > >searljarosh@moneycenters.com > >www.moneycenters.com > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chris Feyen" > >To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" > >Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:38 PM > >Subject: RE: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > > > > > >> That's too bad. I use a Netgear mr814 802.11b, and I get ok > reception > >thru > >> out the my house. AP is in basement, sitting on PC on the floor, > and I > >get > >> ok reception on 2nd floor. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org > >> [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Yaron > >> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:08 PM > >> To: tcwug-list@tcwug.org > >> Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > >> > >> > >> Ok... > >> > >> I've had enough of this Netgear AP. Sure, it has an actual > firewall built > >> in, and a printer port, but the range on it is CRAP. I can't get > decent > >> reception one level up or down inside my own house, and I'm fairly > sure I > >> stripped all the lead paint! Even when I plugged an > omnidirectional > >> antenna to it, I still got pretty bad reception. with any device I > use. > >> > >> So, what brands do you guys recommend for better connectivity? > >> > >> > >> -Yaron > >> > >> -- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, > >> Minnesota > >> http://www.tcwug.org > >> tcwug-list@tcwug.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, > >Minnesota > >> http://www.tcwug.org > >> tcwug-list@tcwug.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, > Minnesota > >http://www.tcwug.org > >tcwug-list@tcwug.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:17:58 -0500 From: "John T. Hoffoss" Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List Message-ID: <914f813c0409150917521f8ed6@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:57:27 -0500, Haudy Kazemi wrote: > Or watch Goodwill, Salvation Army, or garage sales for cheap 900mhz phones. > That's what I did when my cordless 2.4ghz Sony phone interfered with my WLAN. Or just use your cellul... ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:35:50 -0500 From: "Rob Wentworth" Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" Message-ID: <001101c49b6b$f8d60cc0$d501a8c0@server> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have been using a cheap analog 900 MHz phone for the past year, but a few weeks ago it became almost useless with many chips clicks and pops per minute (much worse than a digital cellphone with a weak signal) -- I suspect an interfering device in the neighborhood. It only works reliably within a few feet of the base unit. I was going to pick up a cheap 2.4 GHz cordless phone until I read this thread. The problem is that I use both 802.11b (2.4 GHz) and 802.11a (5 GHz) here. Would the 5.6 GHz phones interfere with my 802.11a? I wonder if a 900 MHz spread spectrum phone would work here (if I can still find one)... Another problem -- my house has vinyl-clad steel siding and my laptop only sees my WAP line-of-sight (through a window). It does not seem to go through the outer walls (grounded metal). I have been thinking of sticking the WAP on a pole over the house... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John T. Hoffoss" To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:57:27 -0500, Haudy Kazemi wrote: >> Or watch Goodwill, Salvation Army, or garage sales for cheap 900mhz >> phones. >> That's what I did when my cordless 2.4ghz Sony phone interfered with my >> WLAN. > > > Or just use your cellul... > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:44:52 -0500 From: Haudy Kazemi Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040915174452.01bca9f8@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have had clicking/popping issues with both 900 mhz and 2.4 ghz phones. It all comes down to the level of competing interference in your area. You could probably use a 2.4ghz phone as long as it was labeled as wifi-friendly (I've seen some) and as long as you kept the phone base away from your AP. Or to get really fancy get one of those Cisco cordless SIP/Wifi phones that can use your WLAN directly. They look a lot like a cell phone and I think they're only a few hundred dollars... ;) At 04:35 PM 9/15/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I have been using a cheap analog 900 MHz phone for the past year, but a few >weeks ago it became almost useless with many chips clicks and pops per >minute (much worse than a digital cellphone with a weak signal) -- I suspect >an interfering device in the neighborhood. It only works reliably within a >few feet of the base unit. I was going to pick up a cheap 2.4 GHz cordless >phone until I read this thread. > >The problem is that I use both 802.11b (2.4 GHz) and 802.11a (5 GHz) here. >Would the 5.6 GHz phones interfere with my 802.11a? > >I wonder if a 900 MHz spread spectrum phone would work here (if I can still >find one)... > >Another problem -- my house has vinyl-clad steel siding and my laptop only >sees my WAP line-of-sight (through a window). It does not seem to go through >the outer walls (grounded metal). I have been thinking of sticking the WAP >on a pole over the house... > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John T. Hoffoss" >To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" >Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:17 AM >Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > > >> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:57:27 -0500, Haudy Kazemi wrote: >>> Or watch Goodwill, Salvation Army, or garage sales for cheap 900mhz >>> phones. >>> That's what I did when my cordless 2.4ghz Sony phone interfered with my >>> WLAN. >> >> >> Or just use your cellul... >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota >> http://www.tcwug.org >> tcwug-list@tcwug.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list@tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:31:31 -0500 From: "Matthew S. Hallacy" Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? To: "S. Earl Jarosh" , Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List Message-ID: <20040916003131.GH2829@momentum.poptix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 12:52:00AM -0500, S. Earl Jarosh wrote: > Don't forget to unplug and turn off all the 2.4 GHz DSSS cordless phones in > the house to improve your 802.11b reception and connectivity. Better yet, > replace them with the non interfering 5.8 GHz DSSS cordless phones. :-) > Shame on you, 5.8GHz cordless phones pollute 802.11a 5.8GHz cordless phones are only 5.8GHz from the base to the handheld, the handheld uses 2.4ghz to talk to the base, which means you're polluting *both* bands. Go back to 900mhz, you don't need 16 phones spread throughout your house. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:58:40 -0500 From: Scott Dier Subject: [TCWUG] Re: What AP do you use? To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List Message-ID: <20040916005840.GF17032@ringworld.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii * Haudy Kazemi [040915 17:59]: > could probably use a 2.4ghz phone as long as it was labeled as > wifi-friendly (I've seen some) and as long as you kept the phone base away I've been using the Uniden EXI3246 phones for a few months, the audio popping is bearable compared to most phones so we've kept them. The Siemens FHSS gigaset phones, for all you'd think that FHSS is the way to go, are crap. They click and pop like nuts and they cause echos back out to the PSTN -- a huge bad crappy thing when your using them with VoIP. -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ -- http://www.railworks.org/ -- http://publictransportation.org/ -- Stop "playing political splat ball," support the Northstar Train! ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 05:03:13 -0500 From: "S. Earl Jarosh" Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? To: "Matthew S. Hallacy" , "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" Message-ID: <005201c49bd4$659e1f10$8700a8c0@D32B5L01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Shame on you, > 5.8GHz cordless phones pollute 802.11a Ok, however there is little 802.11a easily and cheaply obtainable on the market anymore for the home user. It has been pushed to the commerical point to point or Canopy type systems. > 5.8GHz cordless phones are only 5.8GHz from the base to the handheld, the > handheld uses 2.4ghz to talk to the base, which means you're polluting > *both* bands. Large general statement that does not apply to all or even most 5.8GHz phones. However, the key is to not have the base on 2.4 and the talkback channel interference can be managed by channel selection on the 802.11b device. 5.8GHz and 802.11b/g devices coexist well in a home environment. > Go back to 900mhz, you don't need 16 phones spread throughout your house. Ok, sure! Agreed! Now back to reality. Companies have all but discontinued the manufacture of 900Mhz phones and the remaining stuff out there is junk. Maybe this is a good reason why an open RF market driven by manufacturing without Frequency coordination is a bad idea at best and chaotic at worst. I guess nothing was learned from the CB debacle of the 70's, the FRS/GMRS debacle and now WAPs. To come will be RFID tags, unshielded BPL technology, longer duration low power datastreams like bi-directional communicating car starters, garage door openers, Bluetooth and more. Consider if the Cellular industry had been developed like the 802.xxx world. You get what you vote for with cheap dollars. What was that about pollution? Maybe Michael Powell is not the best guy to head up the national RF infrastructure? ANY technical expertise might be a plus. Now I go back to stealth mode, I hope. S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ 6128681313@mobile.att.net searljarosh@moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ tcwug-list mailing list tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list End of tcwug-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From benmgroup at earthlink.net Thu Sep 16 12:47:00 2004 From: benmgroup at earthlink.net (Ben Nelson) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] September 14 meeting notes Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Fri Sep 17 11:47:13 2004 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? In-Reply-To: <005201c49bd4$659e1f10$8700a8c0@D32B5L01> References: <013101c49ae8$1f6d1830$6402000a@D32B5L01> <20040916003131.GH2829@momentum.poptix.net> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040917114713.01bca9f8@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> >Ok, sure! Agreed! Now back to reality. Companies have all but discontinued >the manufacture of 900Mhz phones and the remaining stuff out there is junk. I've observed this myself. I want to see 900 mhz phones with the same high-end features that are on the 2.4 and 5.8 ghz models. The range on 900 mhz should be better, provided that the transceivers can handle good s/n ratios, have decent power output and antennas. Maybe that's where the 2 mile Engenius 900mhz cordless phones come into play. Also, I'm somewhat surprised that cordless phone manufacturers haven't provided a fix for the popping and clicking heard on these devices. I'm certain it can be done, perhaps it hasn't been done because it makes the devices more costly to produce and cuts into profit margins. As far as I can tell cell phones don't have nearly the amount of popping/clicking as cordless phones. Is this because they run on licensed frequencies, use better hardware, or both? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mail at RobWentworth.com Fri Sep 17 17:47:07 2004 From: mail at RobWentworth.com (Rob Wentworth) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? References: <013101c49ae8$1f6d1830$6402000a@D32B5L01><20040916003131.GH2829@momentum.poptix.net> <3.0.5.32.20040917114713.01bca9f8@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <002001c49d08$42e8f8c0$d501a8c0@server> My first 900 MHz was a (state-of-the-art at that time) 2-line spread-spectrum unit that worked almost a mile away from home, even with the base inside my house with grounded steel siding. I had the 2nd phone line connected to my computer sound card, for experimental VOIP use. It even supported hot-swapping the battery with a second battery that charged in the base unit, without losing the signal. Unfortunately that great phone died long ago. My one-year-old cheap analog 900 MHz barely used to work outside near a window or door, but now barely works a few feet from the base unit, probably from neighborhood 900 MHz interference. I just want to know what phone to get that won't interfere with my D-Link 2.4 GHz WAP or my Netgear 5 GHz WAP. Even a 900 MHz that works with no chirps/clicks/pops in my neighborhood would be fine... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Haudy Kazemi" To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 11:47 AM Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > >Ok, sure! Agreed! Now back to reality. Companies have all but > >discontinued >>the manufacture of 900Mhz phones and the remaining stuff out there is >>junk. > > I've observed this myself. I want to see 900 mhz phones with the same > high-end features that are on the 2.4 and 5.8 ghz models. The range on > 900 > mhz should be better, provided that the transceivers can handle good s/n > ratios, have decent power output and antennas. Maybe that's where the 2 > mile Engenius 900mhz cordless phones come into play. > > Also, I'm somewhat surprised that cordless phone manufacturers haven't > provided a fix for the popping and clicking heard on these devices. I'm > certain it can be done, perhaps it hasn't been done because it makes the > devices more costly to produce and cuts into profit margins. As far as I > can tell cell phones don't have nearly the amount of popping/clicking as > cordless phones. Is this because they run on licensed frequencies, use > better hardware, or both? > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Fri Sep 17 21:33:54 2004 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: What AP do you use? In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20040917114713.01bca9f8@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> References: <013101c49ae8$1f6d1830$6402000a@D32B5L01> <20040916003131.GH2829@momentum.poptix.net> <3.0.5.32.20040917114713.01bca9f8@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <20040918023352.GO17032@ringworld.org> * Haudy Kazemi [040917 11:55]: > can tell cell phones don't have nearly the amount of popping/clicking as > cordless phones. Is this because they run on licensed frequencies, use > better hardware, or both? It might be interesting if UPCS consumer cordless phones ever come out, theres some rules on that specrtum as to how to play along much like some of the bands they have out in eu-land. -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ -- http://www.railworks.org/ -- http://publictransportation.org/ -- Stop "playing political splat ball," support the Northstar Train! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From earl at jarosh.org Sat Sep 18 00:58:17 2004 From: earl at jarosh.org (S. Earl Jarosh) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? References: <013101c49ae8$1f6d1830$6402000a@D32B5L01><20040916003131.GH2829@momentum.poptix.net><3.0.5.32.20040917114713.01bca9f8@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> <002001c49d08$42e8f8c0$d501a8c0@server> Message-ID: <001301c49d44$7ebd03f0$8700a8c0@D32B5L01> Ok, Phones that utilize DSSS (digital sequencing spread spectrum) modulation method that are not in the 2.4GHz range will be your best bet. This is most of the current 5.8GHz phones and some of the old 900MHz phones. A lot of the old 900Mhz phones were either analogue or FHSS (frequency hopping spread spectrum) and are prone to pops and clicks from the environment or a poor implementation of FHSS. In theory a FHSS and a DSSS should be able to coexist in the same frequency spread (radio band) such as a 2.4GHz FHSS phone and a 802.11b WAP (specified as a 2.4GHz DSSS data system). In practice this coexistence is marginal at best. Probably the best solution to this would be for the WAP and Phone manufacturers to get together to integrate phone and data out of the same WAP(VOIP anybody?). Second would be for all phones to move to 5.8 and all data to 2.4 (I can dream can't I?). There is some development in the works and there are some new Cisco rumors but it won't be priced for the home for a long time. S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ Money Centers of America V.P. of Information Technology 6128681313@mobile.att.net searljarosh@moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com > My first 900 MHz was a (state-of-the-art at that time) 2-line > spread-spectrum unit that worked almost a mile away from home, even with the > base inside my house with grounded steel siding. I had the 2nd phone line > connected to my computer sound card, for experimental VOIP use. It even > supported hot-swapping the battery with a second battery that charged in the > base unit, without losing the signal. Unfortunately that great phone died > long ago. My one-year-old cheap analog 900 MHz barely used to work outside > near a window or door, but now barely works a few feet from the base unit, > probably from neighborhood 900 MHz interference. I just want to know what > phone to get that won't interfere with my D-Link 2.4 GHz WAP or my Netgear 5 > GHz WAP. Even a 900 MHz that works with no chirps/clicks/pops in my > neighborhood would be fine.. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From earl at jarosh.org Sat Sep 18 03:06:44 2004 From: earl at jarosh.org (S. Earl Jarosh) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? References: <013101c49ae8$1f6d1830$6402000a@D32B5L01><20040916003131.GH2829@momentum.poptix.net> <3.0.5.32.20040917114713.01bca9f8@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Message-ID: <006801c49d56$70e1a1c0$8700a8c0@D32B5L01> >As far as I > can tell cell phones don't have nearly the amount of popping/clicking as > cordless phones. Is this because they run on licensed frequencies, use > better hardware, or both? Yes. Licensed services have primary non-interference rights on their licensed frequencies with appropriate power to accomplish the task using better hardware and a single type of service for the licensed frequency. The theory with a non-license shared service is that it will work well as low use low power product. This is fine until everyone in every neighborhood has one (remember 49MHz phones and listening to baby monitors. Then the phones moved to 900MHz and so did the baby monitors, Duh!). Add to that the fact that many different non-compatible modulation products are using the same bandwidth (bandwidth really means range of frequencies, not speed). Cell phones have many other problems depending on the service provider and where you need to use it. I hate cell phones!! There is some service problem with every provider. I would like to throw mine in the toilet. Alas, I need it to solve other people's problems. Trying to go back to stealth mode again. S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ Money Centers of America V.P. of Information Technology earl@jarosh.org 6128681313@mobile.att.net searljarosh@moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Sep 20 00:11:11 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] one more note from the last meeting Message-ID: <7CF7441E-0AC3-11D9-B3F5-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> one of the topics that came up in the last meeting was the creation of a turnkey hotspot to allow relatively non-technical people to provide a wireless hotspot, without letting people spam through them and suck up all of their bandwidth. the general concept being; a person can run a cd based router w/hostap or something similar off of a laptop or appropriately equipped pc and use a web based gui to configure all of the interesting elements (available b/w, pointer to captive portal content, AUP, etc.). support would be provided by the TCWUG group. i thought i'd throw this out there in case someone was looking for a fun project for the fall / winter and wanted to donate some ergs to the concept. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From dieman at ringworld.org Mon Sep 20 03:19:21 2004 From: dieman at ringworld.org (Scott Dier) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: one more note from the last meeting In-Reply-To: <7CF7441E-0AC3-11D9-B3F5-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> References: <7CF7441E-0AC3-11D9-B3F5-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20040920081921.GF16175@ringworld.org> * steve ulrich [040920 00:19]: > cd based router w/hostap or something similar off of a laptop or > appropriately equipped pc and use a web based gui to configure all of > the interesting elements (available b/w, pointer to captive portal > content, AUP, etc.). support would be provided by the TCWUG group. A soekris net4511, cardbus prism 2.5 card, 128mb cf (you can't buy em smaller! they are $30 or less as is!) and m0n0wall is already fairly close. You could easily modify m0n0wall to do more, too. I've not used the captive portal features, but the rest of it seems pretty solid. Even has altq support! My guess is that the easiest way to us it is just radius back to a central server (over ipsec tunnel if necessary). It also does radius accounting so we can catch account sharing abuse. (ie: if we see it more than two times, start wondering -- especially if its in tons of locations, we need individuals to sign up minimally so we know who was on if there are abuse issues) I would recommend having the locations check the ID of the user and enter their first/last/middle initial and if we dont have that user blocked create an account on the spot and let them get a password. I think a unified AUP would also be needed across locations. the website is: http://www.m0n0.ch/wall/ I'm not sure exactly how the captive firewall works, but its all in php -- so its fairly easy to modify and do what would be needed. It looks like minimally you can upload a login page to the device with custom content. Couple this with an images server someplace and some links to 'free' information on that server too about how to join and stuff it could be very useful. We could run the auth server and require people to verify who they are in some way so that if we have an abuser we can kick them out for (hopefully) good. I think this could all be had for about : Soekris: $201 (4511, case, 1.25A power supply) Fleeman anderson & bird: Two 5.5 dBi R-TNC antennas, two MMCX->RP-TNC pigtails : $68.90+ shipping Newegg: SMC2532W-B, 128mb compact flash, $80.50 + shipping (knowing newegg nearly free) So, about $350 (plus shipping) for the hardware to have a turn-key system -- I think we could easily find volunteers (including myself) to put together the boxes. The 4511 has 2 ethernet ports, so more ap's or a wired segment could be strung off of it as well. Or, the $125.40 for the wireless portion (the SMC card and the antennas are argubaly miles ahead of a cheapo access point however) could be dropped if they are already on-site access points -- bringing it to $224.60. Plus, with the 4511 it will work for a damn long time and not require anything horribly special in the way of cooling, power, or space. (ie: not outside, but not needing cooling or fans!) If you know of anyone offhand looking to pilot this and can front the $350 we could get the ball rolling quickly. I'm pretty sure one of us (including myself) could get a radius server for the project setup quickly. -- Scott Dier KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ -- http://www.railworks.org/ -- http://publictransportation.org/ -- Stop "playing political splat ball," support the Northstar Train! _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From ben at nerp.net Mon Sep 20 08:23:22 2004 From: ben at nerp.net (Ben Kochie) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] one more note from the last meeting In-Reply-To: <7CF7441E-0AC3-11D9-B3F5-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> References: <7CF7441E-0AC3-11D9-B3F5-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 probably a better platform for the wireless hotspot would be to use an existing AP, like the linksys linux one. - -ben "Unix is user friendly, Its just picky about its friends." On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, steve ulrich wrote: > > one of the topics that came up in the last meeting was the creation of a > turnkey hotspot to allow relatively non-technical people to provide a > wireless hotspot, without letting people spam through them and suck up all of > their bandwidth. the general concept being; a person can run a cd based > router w/hostap or something similar off of a laptop or appropriately > equipped pc and use a web based gui to configure all of the interesting > elements (available b/w, pointer to captive portal content, AUP, etc.). > support would be provided by the TCWUG group. > > i thought i'd throw this out there in case someone was looking for a fun > project for the fall / winter and wanted to donate some ergs to the concept. > > -- > steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org > PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list@tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBTtnMflzKmtpiQEMRAuN2AJ9aFpPGZ33OLKeBBHVvOHBOm/fXUACfYMLP P5BnABTC9BoVKAtomDYFH2Y= =MjDy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Mon Sep 20 10:07:30 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] one more note from the last meeting In-Reply-To: References: <7CF7441E-0AC3-11D9-B3F5-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <20040920150730.GA10883@botwerks.org> when last we saw our hero (Monday, Sep 20, 2004), Ben Kochie was madly tapping out: > > probably a better platform for the wireless hotspot would be to use > an existing AP, like the linksys linux one. this is kind of what i was thinking. given that a wrt54g can be had for $70-80 and there's a version of nocat splash out there for the wrt it would be a fairly straightforward project to put nocatsplash on an image for the TCWUG folks to get out to the locals. it provides a nearly turnkey solution for folks. if folks are looking for meeting event ideas, a wrt54g flash party might be a thought. > On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, steve ulrich wrote: > > > > >one of the topics that came up in the last meeting was the creation > >of a turnkey hotspot to allow relatively non-technical people to > >provide a wireless hotspot, without letting people spam through > >them and suck up all of their bandwidth. the general concept > >being; a person can run a cd based router w/hostap or something > >similar off of a laptop or appropriately equipped pc and use a web > >based gui to configure all of the interesting elements (available > >b/w, pointer to captive portal content, AUP, etc.). support would > >be provided by the TCWUG group. > > > >i thought i'd throw this out there in case someone was looking for > >a fun project for the fall / winter and wanted to donate some ergs > >to the concept. { snipped - misc .signatures } -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Mon Sep 20 13:51:40 2004 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] one more note from the last meeting In-Reply-To: <20040920150730.GA10883@botwerks.org> References: <7CF7441E-0AC3-11D9-B3F5-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040920135140.0184ae60@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> At 10:07 AM 9/20/2004 -0500, you wrote: >when last we saw our hero (Monday, Sep 20, 2004), > Ben Kochie was madly tapping out: >> >> probably a better platform for the wireless hotspot would be to use >> an existing AP, like the linksys linux one. > >this is kind of what i was thinking. given that a wrt54g can be had >for $70-80 and there's a version of nocat splash out there for the wrt >it would be a fairly straightforward project to put nocatsplash on an >image for the TCWUG folks to get out to the locals. it provides a >nearly turnkey solution for folks. > >if folks are looking for meeting event ideas, a wrt54g flash party >might be a thought. I second these ideas to use a WRT54G/GS. _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From nkras at visi.com Tue Sep 21 23:23:11 2004 From: nkras at visi.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:40 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] one more note from the last meeting In-Reply-To: <20040920150730.GA10883@botwerks.org> Message-ID: Is the wap54g the AP equivalent of the wrt54g? Same internals except for the router? _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From sulrich at botwerks.org Tue Sep 21 23:38:58 2004 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] one more note from the last meeting In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <516EF2B4-0C51-11D9-9739-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> On Sep 21, 2004, at 11:23 PM, Neal Krasnoff wrote: > > Is the wap54g the AP equivalent of the wrt54g? Same internals except > for the > router? i don't know that it has the same internals. the source for the OS has been released and folks have built their own images. i don't think that it has the processing horsepower of the wrt54g. that said, i believe that this will work in client AP mode w/a wrt54g which does facilitate some interesting topologies. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From kaze0010 at umn.edu Wed Sep 22 02:03:11 2004 From: kaze0010 at umn.edu (Haudy Kazemi) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] one more note from the last meeting In-Reply-To: <516EF2B4-0C51-11D9-9739-000393DECFE6@botwerks.org> References: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040922020311.0184ae60@kaze0010.email.umn.edu> >> Is the wap54g the AP equivalent of the wrt54g? Same internals except >> for the >> router? > >i don't know that it has the same internals. the source for the OS has >been released and folks have built their own images. i don't think >that it has the processing horsepower of the wrt54g. > >that said, i believe that this will work in client AP mode w/a wrt54g >which does facilitate some interesting topologies. I believe the two are very similar except the WRT54G router has a built-in 5 port switch (one port is used internally, 4 externally accessible), maybe more memory and cpu power. The WRT54G is generally lower in price and AFAIK has many more firmware options and activity than the WAP54G. The official Linksys WRT54G firmware does not have a client mode in it, but firmware from wifibox and sveasoft and some others do add the missing client mode. In other words, if you change the firmware on a WRT54G to one of the custom versions, you won't be missing anything from the WAP54G. Personally I see no reason to buy a WAP54G instead of WRT54G if you're comfortable with using customized firmware. (I'm running two, soon to be three, WRT54G routers in WDS mode which lets me avoid needing to do the client-mode-device back-to-back with an AP trick). WDS=Wireless Distribution System...here's a good Proxim tech bulletin reference about it...http://www.pafree.net/media/TB-046.pdf _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From charles.rader at unisys.com Wed Sep 22 17:07:21 2004 From: charles.rader at unisys.com (Rader, Charles M.) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] WAP54G vs. WRT54G (Re: one more note from the last meeting) Message-ID: <22EC891145F54B4482511F952A498B774D8E5C@USEA-EXCH4.na.uis.unisys.com> I'm new to the TCWUG mailing list and recently got WAP54G, WRT54G and WPC54G at home. As was already pointed out, WRT54G is cheaper, has additional Ethernet ports and more firmware options, but WAP54G can be a either a client or an access point using the original firmware. Current WRT54G model (version 2) has a 200 MHz processor. WAP54G and older WRT54G models have 125 MHz. WRT54G has more NVRAM, so space for more programs in either original or modified firmware. WRT54G original firmware also has CGI bugs (different bug on different versions) allowing arbitrary shell commands from the admin web interface. This permits undocumented configuration changes like power adjustment and monitor mode, even without modifying firmware. Seattle Wireless has information about both products: http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/LinksysWrt54g http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/WAP54G You can find more with a Google search, but some of the more interesting sites aren't in English. *** Message contains my personal opinions *** _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From gregdaigle at mac.com Mon Sep 27 11:06:23 2004 From: gregdaigle at mac.com (Greg Daigle) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:41 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Digital Watershed Message-ID: <2DCB16AC-109F-11D9-AAB3-000A27E148FE@mac.com> Nice meeting all you TCWUG folks at Dunn Bros. for the Sept. meeting. Just a brief recap for those not there, our non-profit is a recently established 501(c)(3) based in the Twin Cities and founded specifically to work with local municipal wireless networks on digital public access programming. Our goal is to maintain the same tenets of "community and public interest" held statewide for the municipal stewardship of cable television public access, yet do so using the interactive and collaborative capabilities of digital media content. We'll let you know when our site is up. Greg Daigle Executive Director Digital Watershed gdaigle@onvoymail.com _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list