For what it's worth I have a Motorola (MD481) with 2 handsets. It's 2.4 Ghz with the base station location on my 2nd level almost directly above my AP (Linksys WAP11 old school style!). I use a laptop via WLAN in the same room as the phone base station and rarely experience any conflicts either on the phone or on the WLAN. - John _________________________ Homepages Etc., Inc. Internet Consulting Services 6870 Sherwood Road Woodbury, MN 55125 Phone: (877) 471-2057 Fax: (877) 471-2057 Cell: (612) 384-5023 -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-list-bounces at tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces at tcwug.org] On Behalf Of tcwug-list-request at tcwug.org Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 5:39 AM To: tcwug-list at tcwug.org Subject: tcwug-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 Send tcwug-list mailing list submissions to tcwug-list at tcwug.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to tcwug-list-request at tcwug.org You can reach the person managing the list at tcwug-list-owner at tcwug.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of tcwug-list digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: What AP do you use? (Dave W.) 2. Re: What AP do you use? (John T. Hoffoss) 3. Re: What AP do you use? (Rob Wentworth) 4. Re: What AP do you use? (Haudy Kazemi) 5. Re: What AP do you use? (Matthew S. Hallacy) 6. Re: What AP do you use? (Scott Dier) 7. Re: What AP do you use? (S. Earl Jarosh) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 09:29:46 -0700 (PDT) From: "Dave W." <plmnwater at yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List <tcwug-list at tcwug.org> Message-ID: <20040915162946.56544.qmail at web50607.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Except that cheap 900mhz phones can easily be listened to. --- Haudy Kazemi <kaze0010 at umn.edu> wrote: > Or watch Goodwill, Salvation Army, or garage sales for cheap 900mhz > phones. > That's what I did when my cordless 2.4ghz Sony phone interfered with > my WLAN. > > At 12:52 AM 9/15/2004 -0500, you wrote: > >Don't forget to unplug and turn off all the 2.4 GHz DSSS cordless > phones in > >the house to improve your 802.11b reception and connectivity. > Better yet, > >replace them with the non interfering 5.8 GHz DSSS cordless phones. > :-) > > > >S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ > >6128681313 at mobile.att.net > >searljarosh at moneycenters.com > >www.moneycenters.com > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: "Chris Feyen" <chris at feyen.net> > >To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" <tcwug-list at tcwug.org> > >Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 9:38 PM > >Subject: RE: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > > > > > >> That's too bad. I use a Netgear mr814 802.11b, and I get ok > reception > >thru > >> out the my house. AP is in basement, sitting on PC on the floor, > and I > >get > >> ok reception on 2nd floor. > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: tcwug-list-bounces at tcwug.org > >> [mailto:tcwug-list-bounces at tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Yaron > >> Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 10:08 PM > >> To: tcwug-list at tcwug.org > >> Subject: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > >> > >> > >> Ok... > >> > >> I've had enough of this Netgear AP. Sure, it has an actual > firewall built > >> in, and a printer port, but the range on it is CRAP. I can't get > decent > >> reception one level up or down inside my own house, and I'm fairly > sure I > >> stripped all the lead paint! Even when I plugged an > omnidirectional > >> antenna to it, I still got pretty bad reception. with any device I > use. > >> > >> So, what brands do you guys recommend for better connectivity? > >> > >> > >> -Yaron > >> > >> -- > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, > >> Minnesota > >> http://www.tcwug.org > >> tcwug-list at tcwug.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, > >Minnesota > >> http://www.tcwug.org > >> tcwug-list at tcwug.org > >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > >> > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. > Paul, > Minnesota > >http://www.tcwug.org > >tcwug-list at tcwug.org > >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list at tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > _______________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Declare Yourself - Register online to vote today! http://vote.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 11:17:58 -0500 From: "John T. Hoffoss" <john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com> Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List <tcwug-list at tcwug.org> Message-ID: <914f813c0409150917521f8ed6 at mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:57:27 -0500, Haudy Kazemi <kaze0010 at umn.edu> wrote: > Or watch Goodwill, Salvation Army, or garage sales for cheap 900mhz phones. > That's what I did when my cordless 2.4ghz Sony phone interfered with my WLAN. Or just use your cellul...<call dropped> ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 16:35:50 -0500 From: "Rob Wentworth" <mail at RobWentworth.com> Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" <tcwug-list at tcwug.org> Message-ID: <001101c49b6b$f8d60cc0$d501a8c0 at server> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I have been using a cheap analog 900 MHz phone for the past year, but a few weeks ago it became almost useless with many chips clicks and pops per minute (much worse than a digital cellphone with a weak signal) -- I suspect an interfering device in the neighborhood. It only works reliably within a few feet of the base unit. I was going to pick up a cheap 2.4 GHz cordless phone until I read this thread. The problem is that I use both 802.11b (2.4 GHz) and 802.11a (5 GHz) here. Would the 5.6 GHz phones interfere with my 802.11a? I wonder if a 900 MHz spread spectrum phone would work here (if I can still find one)... Another problem -- my house has vinyl-clad steel siding and my laptop only sees my WAP line-of-sight (through a window). It does not seem to go through the outer walls (grounded metal). I have been thinking of sticking the WAP on a pole over the house... ----- Original Message ----- From: "John T. Hoffoss" <john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com> To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" <tcwug-list at tcwug.org> Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:17 AM Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:57:27 -0500, Haudy Kazemi <kaze0010 at umn.edu> wrote: >> Or watch Goodwill, Salvation Army, or garage sales for cheap 900mhz >> phones. >> That's what I did when my cordless 2.4ghz Sony phone interfered with my >> WLAN. > > > Or just use your cellul...<call dropped> > > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, > Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list at tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 17:44:52 -0500 From: Haudy Kazemi <kaze0010 at umn.edu> Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List <tcwug-list at tcwug.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20040915174452.01bca9f8 at kaze0010.email.umn.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have had clicking/popping issues with both 900 mhz and 2.4 ghz phones. It all comes down to the level of competing interference in your area. You could probably use a 2.4ghz phone as long as it was labeled as wifi-friendly (I've seen some) and as long as you kept the phone base away from your AP. Or to get really fancy get one of those Cisco cordless SIP/Wifi phones that can use your WLAN directly. They look a lot like a cell phone and I think they're only a few hundred dollars... ;) At 04:35 PM 9/15/2004 -0500, you wrote: >I have been using a cheap analog 900 MHz phone for the past year, but a few >weeks ago it became almost useless with many chips clicks and pops per >minute (much worse than a digital cellphone with a weak signal) -- I suspect >an interfering device in the neighborhood. It only works reliably within a >few feet of the base unit. I was going to pick up a cheap 2.4 GHz cordless >phone until I read this thread. > >The problem is that I use both 802.11b (2.4 GHz) and 802.11a (5 GHz) here. >Would the 5.6 GHz phones interfere with my 802.11a? > >I wonder if a 900 MHz spread spectrum phone would work here (if I can still >find one)... > >Another problem -- my house has vinyl-clad steel siding and my laptop only >sees my WAP line-of-sight (through a window). It does not seem to go through >the outer walls (grounded metal). I have been thinking of sticking the WAP >on a pole over the house... > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "John T. Hoffoss" <john.t.hoffoss at gmail.com> >To: "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" <tcwug-list at tcwug.org> >Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2004 11:17 AM >Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? > > >> On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 10:57:27 -0500, Haudy Kazemi <kaze0010 at umn.edu> wrote: >>> Or watch Goodwill, Salvation Army, or garage sales for cheap 900mhz >>> phones. >>> That's what I did when my cordless 2.4ghz Sony phone interfered with my >>> WLAN. >> >> >> Or just use your cellul...<call dropped> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, >> Minnesota >> http://www.tcwug.org >> tcwug-list at tcwug.org >> https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota >http://www.tcwug.org >tcwug-list at tcwug.org >https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:31:31 -0500 From: "Matthew S. Hallacy" <poptix at techmonkeys.org> Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? To: "S. Earl Jarosh" <earl at jarosh.org>, Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List <tcwug-list at tcwug.org> Message-ID: <20040916003131.GH2829 at momentum.poptix.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Wed, Sep 15, 2004 at 12:52:00AM -0500, S. Earl Jarosh wrote: > Don't forget to unplug and turn off all the 2.4 GHz DSSS cordless phones in > the house to improve your 802.11b reception and connectivity. Better yet, > replace them with the non interfering 5.8 GHz DSSS cordless phones. :-) > Shame on you, 5.8GHz cordless phones pollute 802.11a 5.8GHz cordless phones are only 5.8GHz from the base to the handheld, the handheld uses 2.4ghz to talk to the base, which means you're polluting *both* bands. Go back to 900mhz, you don't need 16 phones spread throughout your house. -- Matthew S. Hallacy FUBAR, LART, BOFH Certified http://www.poptix.net GPG public key 0x01938203 ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2004 19:58:40 -0500 From: Scott Dier <dieman at ringworld.org> Subject: [TCWUG] Re: What AP do you use? To: Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List <tcwug-list at tcwug.org> Message-ID: <20040916005840.GF17032 at ringworld.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii * Haudy Kazemi <kaze0010 at umn.edu> [040915 17:59]: > could probably use a 2.4ghz phone as long as it was labeled as > wifi-friendly (I've seen some) and as long as you kept the phone base away I've been using the Uniden EXI3246 phones for a few months, the audio popping is bearable compared to most phones so we've kept them. The Siemens FHSS gigaset phones, for all you'd think that FHSS is the way to go, are crap. They click and pop like nuts and they cause echos back out to the PSTN -- a huge bad crappy thing when your using them with VoIP. -- Scott Dier <dieman at ringworld.org> KC0OBS http://www.ringworld.org/ -- http://www.railworks.org/ -- http://publictransportation.org/ -- Stop "playing political splat ball," support the Northstar Train! ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 05:03:13 -0500 From: "S. Earl Jarosh" <earl at jarosh.org> Subject: Re: [TCWUG] What AP do you use? To: "Matthew S. Hallacy" <poptix at techmonkeys.org>, "Twin Cities Wireless Users Group List" <tcwug-list at tcwug.org> Message-ID: <005201c49bd4$659e1f10$8700a8c0 at D32B5L01> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > Shame on you, > 5.8GHz cordless phones pollute 802.11a Ok, however there is little 802.11a easily and cheaply obtainable on the market anymore for the home user. It has been pushed to the commerical point to point or Canopy type systems. > 5.8GHz cordless phones are only 5.8GHz from the base to the handheld, the > handheld uses 2.4ghz to talk to the base, which means you're polluting > *both* bands. Large general statement that does not apply to all or even most 5.8GHz phones. However, the key is to not have the base on 2.4 and the talkback channel interference can be managed by channel selection on the 802.11b device. 5.8GHz and 802.11b/g devices coexist well in a home environment. > Go back to 900mhz, you don't need 16 phones spread throughout your house. Ok, sure! Agreed! Now back to reality. Companies have all but discontinued the manufacture of 900Mhz phones and the remaining stuff out there is junk. Maybe this is a good reason why an open RF market driven by manufacturing without Frequency coordination is a bad idea at best and chaotic at worst. I guess nothing was learned from the CB debacle of the 70's, the FRS/GMRS debacle and now WAPs. To come will be RFID tags, unshielded BPL technology, longer duration low power datastreams like bi-directional communicating car starters, garage door openers, Bluetooth and more. Consider if the Cellular industry had been developed like the 802.xxx world. You get what you vote for with cheap dollars. What was that about pollution? Maybe Michael Powell is not the best guy to head up the national RF infrastructure? ANY technical expertise might be a plus. Now I go back to stealth mode, I hope. S. Earl Jarosh, N0HZ 6128681313 at mobile.att.net searljarosh at moneycenters.com www.moneycenters.com ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ tcwug-list mailing list tcwug-list at tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list End of tcwug-list Digest, Vol 12, Issue 9 ***************************************** _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list at tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list