From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Jan 18 11:33:15 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue Jan 18 11:33:23 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Internet3 only happens when you buy a data plan on top of the voice plan.. > How much are you guys paying for your internet2 access? $2.99/mo.. don't know exactly how that happened; when I signed up for it originally, it was going to be $5.99 for 300 SMS messages and 1mb of data, but I've made a bunch of changes to my plan (switched to family time with an additional phone and such), and somewhere in the mix it got dropped to $2.99. It appears on my bill as 'T-Zones'.. *shrugs*. Could be they dropped me to the same service as you've got, and forgot to flip the switch to disable internet2. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Jan 18 11:33:15 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:02 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Prasad, Rajat Taneja, and Vikrant Todankar saw a need for a set of named ways of doing things at the application or subsystem level, in the same manner that the original design patterns fulfilled a need for standardization of lower-level functionality. 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Ian Darwin provides a detailed comparison of the two presentation heavyweights. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2003/09/12/keynote.html Until next time-- Marsee --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA-- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Jan 18 11:33:15 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:02 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: ================================================ ***An evening with Roy Atkinson, Maryland Apple Corps, Towson, MD--October 14 Roy Atkinson, Apple UG Liaison for the East Coast is the guest speaker. This meeting includes the monthly members-only door prizes & a raffle in which all attendees can participate. 6:30 pm-8:45 pm Tuesday, October 14, 2003 Towson Library--Lower Level Meeting Room 320 York Rd., Towson, MD http://mdapple.org/ Until next time-- Marsee --EeQfGwPcQSOJBaQU-- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From jeff at digitalguy.net Thu Jan 6 23:31:07 2005 From: jeff at digitalguy.net (Jeffrey Lehman) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:47 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] January Meeting Message-ID: <41DE1E9B.3000800@digitalguy.net> I've reserved the upstairs meeting room for this next Tuesday (January 11th) from 6-7pm for our next meeting. Please bring any wireless questions that you have or any topics that you wish to discuss to the meeting as there is no formal agenda. Location: --------- Dunn Bros 201 3rd Avenue Minneapolis, MN 55401 612-692-8530 (on the same block as the Milwaukee Road Depot hotel and skating rink) Map and directions: http://tinyurl.com/79jt Limited parking behind the building, plenty of on-street parking near-by. I hope to see you all there. Jeff Lehman -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.6.8 - Release Date: 1/3/2005 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From mjbird at clavdivs.org Tue Jan 11 13:34:27 2005 From: mjbird at clavdivs.org (Michael J. Bird) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:34:47 2005 Subject: [TCWUG] Re: January meeting Message-ID: <41E42A43.4020609@clavdivs.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Well, I'm hoping to make the meeting tonight, which will be the first time I've attended one of these. Mike Bird -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFB5CpDkjFezyLOo0IRAmbNAKCpm2LYq3ZO9d00tqt4sf/cHnpS6ACg0EUZ iZDpeJ1QATBOmGDcm49z/rM= =S6yD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:31 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: standard 802.11b -- it's just that nobody has taken the time to figure out how to exploit it, as it's not as widely used. I haven't personally researched it yet, though.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:39 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: the factory, and sets the max power on each unit to what it can put out within FCC regulations. I've done this hack, and it does greatly increase range -- but is the cost worth it? I think not.. unless you really don't mind killing everything in the frequency range. :) (Basically, if you're on channel 6, you'll see traffic on 1-11 from this radio..) > While we're on the subject of WAP11's - does anyone have a config util > that permits you to control the antenna diversity. I think the old > utilities used to, but all the recent ones don't seem to offer that > option. The Atmel MIB doesn't even mention antenna diversity that I > can see. I want to hook one up to an external antenna, and while I > think it'll be fine if I just terminate the unused port, I'd like to > do it right(tm) if I can. Hmm.. the second-to-most-recent USB utility did.. they removed that? That's lame. Maybe people didn't understand diversity and thought they could have one antenna for inside and one for outside or something.. :) Have you tried the Atmel utility? -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:39 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: Linux-AP-with-captive-portal offering. There's another one in the works from Musenki (http://www.musenki.com), but they are (re)implementing NoCatAuth in C, instead of Perl, to be more friendly to smaller footprint embedded devices.. ----- Forwarded message from "David L. Sifry" ----- From: "David L. Sifry" To: Sameer Verma Cc: nocat Date: 22 Feb 2002 23:25:28 -0800 Subject: Re: [NoCatNet] NoCatAuth on the map Sameer, Thanks for the kind words. Before I talk about Sputnik, I'd like to take a moment and wish Rob my sympathies and wishes for a quick recovery! Even though we've never met, I was deeply shocked when I heard about your accident. Rob, if you're reading this - get well soon, man. And thanks for the code. Yep, our new company, Sputnik, has created an all-in-one Smart AP (uses the HostAP drivers for Linux), router, dynamic firewall (iptables-based) with bandwidth shaping, and a modified NoCatAuth captive portal that authenticates with our backend authentication, settlement and billing systems. It doesn't currently authenticate against RADIUS, Active Directory, or NDS just yet, these are some additional features that we're building into the backend as we speak. It fits down into an ISO image you can burn onto a CD (48MB currently), and when you boot from the CD, it completely bypasses your hard disk (IOW you don't need a hard disk) and turns your computer into an embedded smart AP with authentication. All you need is an old computer, a Prism2-based PCMCIA 802.11 card, and an ethernet connection. It figures out the rest. Well, most of the time. :-) Oh, and by the way, all of the gateway code is open source, including the changes and improvements we made to NoCatAuth (well _duh_, it's GPL'd code). I don't have things in a state with a patch file against the latest tree, but all the perl code is on the CD, so you can view it and perhaps someone can help out and turn it into a patch file. One of the nice improvements we made is that we now open a tunnel to the authentication server that allows 2-way communication between the gateway and the authentication server even if the gateway is behind a fiewall, NATted, etc. In other words, you don't have to put the gateway on a public IP with port 5280 open. It also means that we can do some nice systems management and update features as well, like automated s/w updates and bug fixes, and some cool wireless management like dynamic channel management (automatically change the 802.11b channel the AP uses based on S/N ratio and based on the knowledge of the channel used and location of nearby gateways) and "poor man's 802.11h" which allows us to turn up or down the power of the AP based on S/N ratio and the location of clusters of nearby Sputnik gateways as well. All of these features are part of the open source gateway code. We will also be making plugins and other code that will not be open source, and those will be part of our high-end Sputnik Enterprise Gateway that is geared more at solving the problems that big enterprises have with wireless deployments, like integration into systems management platforms like OpenView and Tivoli, authentication systems like smart cards and biomentrics, and our back-end billing and settlement systems. All of the Sputnik Gateway code is open source - either derivative work of code like NoCatAuth or our own code which is released under the GPL, and it is our goal to foster a strong development community - we think that having a stable secure platform for wireless apps is critical, and we would like to see the Sputnik Gateway become that platform. In the end, it is our goal to create a drop-dead simple, smart, secure, authenticated 802.11 network that brings back the control of wireless broadband out of the hands of the monopolists, and back to all of us. If you want to find out more, check out our development site: , and go and download the code: . We'll be putting up more development resources soon, like public CVS, bugtracking, and mailing list archives. You can join the gateway developers list by going to . NoCatAuth developers, thanks again for all the hard work and dedication you've put in so far. I hope our code can help make NoCatAuth even better. Rob, if you've gotten this far without falling asleep, get well soon, and keep up the good work!!! Dave On Fri, 2002-02-22 at 20:45, Sameer Verma wrote: > Folks, > Last night at the BAWUG meeting, Dave Sifry of Linuxcare fame presented > his new (Sputnik's) team's new work. A one-in-all package that works as > a Base Station (in full AP mode using prism2 chipset) and does > authentication with backend methods including a DB, RADIUS, LDAP, Active > Directory (i.e. LDAP in W2K), Novell Directory Services (NDS). It has a > bunch of features that I won't go into since it will take a while to > type :-). Perhaps Dave can post the presentation for us somewhere. > > All through the presentation, I was thinking to myself "This sounds like > NoCatAuth on steroids!!!". And guess what? At the end of the > presentation, he did mention that for those who are really into this > stuff, and for those people who really work with the software, the > Sputnik Gateway (http://www.sputnik.com/) is a variant of NoCatAuth. > > :-):-):-) (these three smileys are dedicated to Rob's (and everyone > else's) hard work paying off. Get well soon.) > > Very cool indeed!!! > > Sameer > -- > Sameer Verma, Ph.D. > Asst. Professor of Information Systems > San Francisco State University > San Francisco CA 94132 USA > http://verma.sfsu.edu/ > -- David L. Sifry dsifry@sputnik.com Cofounder and Chief Technology Officer, Sputnik Inc Phone: 408.497.3120 Fax: 415.354.3342 ----- End forwarded message ----- -- andyw@pobox.com Andy Warner Voice: (612) 801-8549 Fax: (208) 575-5634 From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:40 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: CD-based distribution that turns a computer into a wireless gateway. I suppose you probably need a good card to get it to really work right, though. http://www.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=02/03/06/2226253&mode=thread -- _ _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ ___ _ _ __ That was ZEN. This is TAO. / \/ \(_)| ' // ._\ / - \(_)/ ./| ' /(__ \_||_/|_||_|_\\___/ \_-_/|_|\__\|_|_\ __) [ Mike Hicks | http://umn.edu/~hick0088/ | mailto:hick0088@tc.umn.edu ] --=.FVPmK+D9wjTq5t Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE8iL2y05OjzVUnj0URAg75AJ9BIMxPEBcWVqKz7F9nwdvWVRRcrwCgsxvr FTcZeV//cDY3s6ulT0/TDMo= =7IOS -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=.FVPmK+D9wjTq5t-- From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue Jan 18 11:35:58 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: network owner and controller to secure his data in any means seen fit by himself. This means WEP, VPN, PPtP, etc etc. If you neglect to do this, your data is floating about in the airwaves free as a radio station, since 802.11b does use the ISM band, set asside for the public's use, without license. This raises another question. Cordless phones use ISM as well. (2.4ghz, 900Mhz) It is illegal to intercept and recieve any of those transmissions. The wiretap laws cover those. Some states do have "computer-to-computer" transmissions in their wiretap laws (such as New Jersey), but it does not state anything about allowing your computer to show you interference it's recieving from another computer. Now, the question of the software. I'm sure many are familiar with kismet and netstumbler, and airsnort. Kismet does collect the data that it picks up in 802.11b packets floating about the air. Does that land in with the "it's in the public, it *IS* public" laws? I think so. Anyone? Now, intentionally sitting in front of someone's house using this to gather passwords, read email, or even attempt a wep key crack, i would find to be illegal. Since you're using the data you are gathering for malicious intent. (As stated above) This is on the wardriving.com website, in the FAQ. Feel free to read it all, but this was the only part that was valid to this post. http://www.wardriving.com/doc/Wardriving-HOWTO.txt 3. Why are people Wardriving? 3.1 Is it legal? There is no cut and dry answer to this question, but simply driving around a city searching for the existence of wireless networks, with no ulterior motive cannot be deemed illegal. However, if you are searching for a place to steal internet access, or commit computer crimes then the wardriving you performed was done in a malicious manner and could be treated as such in court. Don't forget in the US, simply receiving radio transmissions on the Cellular telephone frequencies (895-925 MHZ) is illegal, a similar law could be written to discourage this, but this isn't likely. As with any questionable activity, there are always two sides. Whether you agree or disagree with the whole practice makes no difference to me, but in the future, legal proceedings and violations may be related to wardriving. Technology is not bound to ethics. It is the application and use (or abuse) of that technology that brings ethics into it. To get back to the question this technology is not really new (802.11 IEEE Standard - 1997), but this is the peak of it's popularity. And at this peak it's good to get the kinks worked out, and the security of wireless Ethernet is a pretty huge kink. WEP(Wired Equivalent Privacy) uses up to 128-bit RC4 encryption, but it was implemented wrong, so now it makes no difference whether or not you use it, it's vulnerable. There are few built-in mechanisms that provide security, not broadcasting the ESSID is a start, but a sniffer can pick it up, anything else is left to other 3rd-party devices. "3rd-party devices" Meaning that it's up to you to secure your data. If you cannot secure your data, oh well, figure it out. :) Personally, i think there needs to be more definition in the laws and regulations reguarding this. WEP could be useful, and there is a new driver based WEP256 floating about, but at the physical layer, it's still only RC4, 128-bit wep. So, the short & sweet answer to "is wardriving illegal?": No. The long answer is whatever you want it to be, with as many definitions and explanations as you see fit. I don't see wardriving illegal, but i do see association to another's access point without expressed permission, illegal. Just some observations, and my opinions, which are mine alone, with a bit of mixed fact. I would like to hear your ideas and observations on this topic. Perhaps it could be a subject for the meeting in a few weeks here. -- Alex Hartman - goober@goobe.net PGP Key fingerprint = 26 41 19 56 19 81 E2 BC EE C8 1D F4 DB B8 ED B8 "Watch out for that bus!" From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue Jan 18 11:36:04 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: "The NYTimes is reporting that two guys in their garage have designed a low-cost wireless broadband solution that can transmit up to 20 miles. (A previous story described a 7km achievement in Australia.) Their company is called Etherlinx and they use the Wi-Fi 802.11b standard in a repeater antenna that people can attach to the outside of their homes. The technology, which apparently costs under $100, has been operating in a small for-pay trial in Oakland, CA for a year. Is this a solution to the 'last-mile' problem, hope for rural areas, and the death of cable/DSL? Read and be the judge." -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.tcwug.org, Minnesota, Wireless | Coding isn't a crime. Key fingerprint = 6C E9 51 4F D5 3E 4C 66 62 A9 10 E5 35 85 39 D9 From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue Jan 18 11:36:24 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: other places of interest. > > > > > > If anyone is planning on doing this, are you looking at 802.11b, a, > > or that motorola canopy stuff? 802.11b is 1/5 the speed of 802.11a, > > and 802.11a isn't too much more expensive. Wouldn't it make sense > > to use a faster technology? > > > .11a seems to offer the greatest amount of b/w for the buck but my > only hangup with it is the modest distance that it can support. this > may not be as big an issue with the appropriate antenna h/w. perhaps > the RF wonks amongst us can comment on this ... Well, we're going to need point-to-point links to get between the different areas we want to cover. The links can be whatever we need them to be to get the job done. I think we'll always want to have 802.11b at the user access points. If we start maxing it out we can add an 802.11a card there. If we start out using the cheaper equipment we can always move things around later as our needs change. -- Bryan Halvorson bryan@edgar.sector14.net From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue Jan 18 11:36:25 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: halfway reasonable price. The sideband T1 is always nice, too.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue Jan 18 11:36:25 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: halfway reasonable price. The sideband T1 is always nice, too.. -- Nate Carlson | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com | Fax : (952)943-8500 _______________________________________________ Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota http://www.tcwug.org tcwug-list@tcwug.org https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs SkyScan service. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com ________________________________________________________________________ From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Jan 18 11:35:26 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue Jan 18 11:36:26 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: cities including both downtowns. -- Bryan Halvorson bryan@edgar.sector14.net From bogus@does.not.exist.com Tue Jan 18 11:37:33 2005 From: bogus@does.not.exist.com () Date: Tue Jan 18 11:37:34 2005 Subject: No subject Message-ID: > Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 for the Intel x86 architecture ships with kernel version 2.2.20. > > > The 2.2 kernel series has been updated and developed extensively introducing several valuable changes > both in the kernel and in other programs based on kernel features, along with a whole slew of new > hardware drivers and bug fixes for existing drivers. > > A 2.4 kernel is also included in this release for optional installation by users. Although the 2.4 > branch is considered by the kernel developers to be a stable kernel branch, the Debian GNU/Linux release > team judged it not to have reached sufficient maturity for inclusion as the default kernel in this > release. > (Source: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/i386/release-notes/ch-whats-new.en.html ) Neal. nkras@nkras.dsl.visi.com http://nkras.dsl.visi.com From tanner at real-time.com Tue Jan 18 11:46:24 2005 From: tanner at real-time.com (Bob Tanner) Date: Tue Jan 18 11:48:37 2005 Subject: [tcwug-list] Upgrading the tcwug mailing list server Message-ID: <20050118174624.GA4939@real-time.com> #1: We have outgrown (disk space-wise) the mailing list server. #2: I'm also tired of maintaining Red Hat 7.3 packages to keep the box up to date and secure. So, it's time to migrate and upgrade the tcwug-* mailing lists to a new system. I'll be migrating the mailing lists over to a new box (shadowknight) today (01/18) with 80G dedicated to the archives. Solves #1. At the same time, I'll be upgrading to Debian :-) (flame-bait?) to easy the burden of maintaining this box. Solves #2. I will also be turning on VERP, so some of the smtp headers will be different, so adjust your procmail recipes accordingly. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Again, Bob, nothing personal to you; you've done a great service getting the TCWUG group moving online and communicating. I just want to see if we can put an end to seeing every message on the list twice. :) Regards, ---Matthew Genelin--- -----Original Message----- From: tcwug-announce-bounces@tcwug.org [mailto:tcwug-announce-bounces@tcwug.org]On Behalf Of Bob Tanner Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 11:46 AM To: tcwug-announce@tcwug.org; tcwug-list@tcwug.org Subject: [Tcwug-announce] Upgrading the tcwug mailing list server #1: We have outgrown (disk space-wise) the mailing list server. #2: I'm also tired of maintaining Red Hat 7.3 packages to keep the box up to date and secure. So, it's time to migrate and upgrade the tcwug-* mailing lists to a new system. I'll be migrating the mailing lists over to a new box (shadowknight) today (01/18) with 80G dedicated to the archives. Solves #1. At the same time, I'll be upgrading to Debian :-) (flame-bait?) to easy the burden of maintaining this box. Solves #2. I will also be turning on VERP, so some of the smtp headers will be different, so adjust your procmail recipes accordingly. -- Bob Tanner | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.mn-linux.org, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 http://www.linuxjustworks.com | Linux Just Works! Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288 From nodeengineer at msn.com Sat Jan 22 16:37:53 2005 From: nodeengineer at msn.com (Neal Krasnoff) Date: Sat Jan 22 16:42:56 2005 Subject: [tcwug-list] For trade Message-ID: For trade: One Sun Ultra 1 Enterprise, in working condition but no CDROM, memory, hard drives, spuds, or video card, internal power cable hacked for CDROM; One HP J4090A 10baseT unmanaged 8 port hub; One HP 24M 10baseT managed 24 port hub, but the managed part is for naught, as-is. Will trade for 2 pounds of Fair Trade, Medium Roast, ground coffee. Email if interested. Thanks, Neal nodeengineer@msn.com From sulrich at botwerks.org Sun Jan 23 11:49:23 2005 From: sulrich at botwerks.org (steve ulrich) Date: Sun Jan 23 11:52:39 2005 Subject: [tcwug-list] administravia - ora newsletter (20jan-05) Message-ID: <20050123174923.GA9661@botwerks.org> all- attached is the latest iteration of the oreilly & assoc. newsletter. -- steve ulrich sulrich@botwerks.org PGP: 8D0B 0EE9 E700 A6CF ABA7 AE5F 4FD4 07C9 133B FAFC -------------- next part -------------- ================================================================ O'Reilly UG Program News--Just for User Group Leaders January 20, 2005 ================================================================ -LinuxWorld Boston Expo Passes, Photoshop World Expo Passes, MySQL Users Conference Brochures, and ETech Brochures all available for your members -Put Up an Emerging Technology Conference Banner, Get a Free Book ---------------------------------------------------------------- Book Info ---------------------------------------------------------------- ***Review books are available Copies of our books are available for your members to review-- send me an email and please include the book's ISBN number on your request. 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Designed for hackers of all skill levels, this fun, new guide combines creativity with electricity and power tools to achieve cool, and sometimes even practical-home automation projects. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/homehpfg/ Sample excerpts are available online: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/homehpfg/chapter/index.html ***Windows XP Home Edition: The Missing Manual, 2nd Edition Publisher: O'Reilly ISBN: 059600897X This comprehensive guide offers a wealth of tips, instructions, and expert advice dedicated to making your time with Windows XP safer, easier, and more fun. It's perfectly suited for both first-time PC fans and budding power users. Best of all, it's been updated to include Service Pack 2 (SP2), so you can better defend yourself against viruses, worms, and hackers. Fill the void in XP documentation with the technical insight, crystal-clear objectivity, and humor that define the Missing Manuals series. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/windowsxptmm2/ ***Illustrations with Photoshop: A Designer's Notebook Publisher: O'Reilly ISBN: 0596008597 World-renowned French artists share their exciting and innovative digital creations in this first-time English translation of their cutting-edge work. The images in this book will energize image professionals, graphic artists, photographers, and computer graphics designers--all creators of images, whether still or animated--and will forever change the way you see and perform your design work. This visually stunning book will give you the creative license and technical knowledge needed to create one-of-a-kind digital illustrations with Photoshop. 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To register for the conference, go to: http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/mysqluc2005/create/ord_mysql05 ================================================ News From O'Reilly & Beyond ================================================ --------------------- General News --------------------- ***Race for the Ultimate Car Hacks "People have been tinkering with their cars since the first horseless buggy hit the road. Now, thanks to onboard computerized systems that control everything from engine management systems to radios, hackers can customize their rides in ways that are likely to have Henry Ford doing back flips in his grave." TechnologyReview.com writer Michelle Delio speaks with Damien Stolarz, CEO of Carbot, and Raffi Krikorian, director of Synthesis Studios. http://www.technologyreview.com/articles/04/12/wo_delio121604.asp?trk=nl Join Damien and Raffi at O'Reilly's upcoming ETech for their tutorial, "Hack Sci-Fi Features into Your Car." http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/et2005/view/e_sess/6242 ***"Make" subscriptions now available--Just in Case you Missed this Last Time The annual subscription price for four issues is $34.95. When you subscribe with this link, you'll get a free issue--the first one plus four more for $34.95. So subscribe for yourself or friends with this great offer for charter subscribers: five volumes for the cost of four. Subscribe at: https://www.pubservice.com/MK/Subnew.aspx?PC=MK&PK=M5ZUGLA ***Color for Coders--Color and Design for the Non-Designer Programmers do have to work with color sometimes, but even the least artistic coder can choose snappy color combinations with Jason Beaird's handy how-to. This tutorial cuts through the artsy hyperbole to provide the nuts and bolts of color theory--and its practical application. http://www.sitepoint.com/article/color-for-coders ***Designing for Clients Made Easy Clients can be among the biggest hurdles to a web design project's success. Astute designers use a number of tactics to ensure they keep the project in control, on time, and on budget...and have some creative fun along the way. http://www.sitepoint.com/article/designing-for-clients-made-easy ***Printing XML: Why CSS Is Better than XSL One of the old school debates among XML developers is "CSS versus XSLT." Hakun Wium Lie and Michael Day revive that debate with a shot across XSL's bow. http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2005/01/19/print.html ***A Review of PalmOne???s Zire 72 and 31 Wei-Meng Lee takes a look at a couple of PalmOne devices, and is pleased by what he finds. http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/wireless/2005/01/17/zire.html --------------------- Audio Webcasts --------------------- ***BoundCast interview with Andy Hertzfeld, author of "Revolution in the Valley" This is the first of a two part series interview with Andy Hertzfield that covers his book "Revolution in the Valley," Apple, and the future. http://www.boundcast.com/ ***A Podcast With Wallace Wang, author of "Steal This File Sharing Book" Wallace and Denise Howell discuss the future of P2P networks, nefarious knitters, macchiato moms, the Ninth Circuit's Grokster decision, the economics of digital media, and other topics. http://www.thestandard.com/movabletype/denisehowell/archives/000825.php --------------------- Open Source --------------------- ***Network Installation of Windows Printers from Samba The combination of Samba and CUPS makes network printing on a mixed Linux/Windows LAN easier than ever. You can share Linux printers with Windows clients, and Windows printers with Linux clients. A Linux/Samba/CUPS printer server is reliable and reasonably simple to set up and maintain. Carla Schroder, author of "Linux Cookbook," shows you how. http://www.linuxdevcenter.com/pub/a/linux/2005/01/13/lnxckbk_samba.html ***An Introduction to Quality Assurance The libraries and syntax for automated testing are easy to find. The mindset of quality and testability is harder to adopt. Tom McTighe reviews the basic principles of quality assurance that can make the difference between a "working" application and a high-quality application. http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2005/01/13/quality_assurance.html --------------------- Mac --------------------- ***Macworld 1984 Animation As seen at Macworld Live! with David Pogue at the recent Macworld Expo San Francisco 2005. http://www.macboy.com/macworld/index.html ***A RAW Look at iPhoto 5 Apple overhauled much of iPhoto in version 5 and presented photographers with a more robust tool for managing their media files. Derrick Story looks at importing existing iPhoto libraries, using the new editing tools, and working with RAW and QuickTime files. Image samples of RAW comparisons are included. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/01/19/iphoto5.html ***How to Use mutt, FastMail, and Mail.app Together on Your Mac Many Linux users who are adding Mac OS X to their computing life look to combine the control of command line with the convenience of GUI. In this article, Philip Hollenback, a seasoned Linux user himself, shows how to bring these worlds together on Mac OS X using mutt, FastMail, and Mail.app. http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2005/01/18/fastmail.html --------------------- Windows/.NET --------------------- ***Disk Cleanup Hacks No matter how much space you have on your hard disk, it's never enough. Mitch Tulloch, author of "Windows Server Hacks," shows you better ways to clean your hard disk quickly. http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2005/01/18/disk_cleanup.html ***Using SQL Cache Dependency Caching has long been recognized as one of the more effective ways to improve your ASP.NET web applications. One particular caching feature missing in ASP.NET 1.x was SQL cache dependency: the ability to invalidate a database cache if data in a table is changed. In ASP.NET 2.0, Microsoft has added the new SQL cache dependency feature. Wei-Meng Lee discusses the SQL cache dependency in ASP.NET 2.0, and how you can manually implement it in ASP.NET 1.x. http://www.ondotnet.com/pub/a/dotnet/2005/01/17/sqlcachedependency.html ***Run Mac OS X on a PC You can get the best of both worlds--you can run the real Mac OS X on your own PC. Wei-Meng Lee shows you how to run the Mac operating system on an emulator called PearPC. http://www.windowsdevcenter.com/pub/a/windows/2005/01/18/PearPC.html --------------------- Java --------------------- ***Parsing an XML Document with XPath Pulling just a single node value or attribute from an XML document can be inefficient if you have to parse over a whole list of nodes you don't want, just to get to one you do. XPath can be much more efficient, by letting you specify the path to the desired node up front. J2SE adds XPath support, and the JDOM API also offers support through an XPath class. Deepak Vohra looks at both approaches. http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2005/01/12/xpath.html ***Mock Objects in Unit Tests Unit testing your code against a service or process that's either too expensive (commercial databases) or just not done yet is something you can deal with by simulating the other piece with a mock object. EasyMock can suffice in some cases, but it can only create mock objects for interfaces. Mocquer, based on the Dunamis project, can create mocks for classes, too. Lu Jian shows how it works. http://www.onjava.com/pub/a/onjava/2005/01/12/mocquer.html --------------------- Digital Media --------------------- ***Time-Saving Digital GEM Plug-Ins for Photoshop Removing noise from images or trying to retouch facial blemishes is time-consuming work. Fortunately these Photoshop plug-ins from Kodak's Austin Development Center can help photographers work more efficiently. Derrick Story takes them for a spin. http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2005/01/05/kodak_plugins.html ***Frank Serafine: Turning Elephants into Explosions Academy Award-winning sound designer Frank Serafine discusses the art and science of sound effects, tape-baking, and why selling all his analog gear on eBay made him happier musically. http://digitalmedia.oreilly.com/2005/01/12/serafine_0105.html ================================================ >From Your Peers =============================================== Don't forget to check out the O'Reilly UG wiki to see what user groups across the globe are up to: http://wiki.oreillynet.com/usergroups/index.cgi Until next time-- Marsee