I'm working with one of the local wisp in the metro area. Using several different tools and different analysis methods, I'm seeing, on average: 8% loss 92ms ping times With as much as 50% loss and 5000ms ping times. The sample data is from 2 weeks of 24x7 monitoring. I do not have access to our side of the wifi link, so the monitoring is the public side of the firewall and the remote site of the wifi link. I talked to the technical support people and was told 5% to 8% loss, given utilization is 'ok' and 8ms to 10ms is acceptable ping times. The 'ok' and acceptable numbers seem really high to me. Any comments? -- Bob Tanner <tanner at real-time.com> | Phone : (952)943-8700 http://www.real-time.com, Minnesota, Linux | Fax : (952)943-8500 Key fingerprint = AB15 0BDF BCDE 4369 5B42 1973 7CF1 A709 2CC1 B288