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Re: (ASCEND) [Private] comp.dcom.sys.ascend

If someone is serious about reading news, then they will find a practical
way to do it. Personally, I get my newsgroups through Zippo (zippo.com).
Their spam hippo does an excellent job of filtering-out the drivel and
detritous that makes most ISPs' news feeds such an incredibly bad bargain.

I'm in favor of having the comp.dcom.etc.etc feed; it would open these
arcane discussions to folks who use other brands of hardware hopefully
resulting in them offering alternative approaches to the Ascend regimen
that has left so many users dismayed.



At 11:56 AM 1/21/98 -0500, Matt Magri wrote:
>William T Wilson <fluffy@dunadan.com> wrote:
>>On Tue, 20 Jan 1998, Matt Holdrege wrote:
>>> Thus my point earlier about filtering the mail. If you don't want to see
>>> spam and cross-posting, keep subscribed to the mail list. The mail list
>>> can be configured to reject those. 
>>
>>Maybe it's just me, but I don't have so much faith in the mail filters. 
>>How do you filter "spam"?  It is a hard thing to put your finger on.  It's
>>like pornography, you can't define it but you know it when you see it. But
>>you can't tell that to a mail filter!  [ ... ]
>
>Filters for mailing lists are different than filters for your mailbox
>since it's a group participation medium that can have defined rules, etc.
>There are mailing lists that only allow subscribers to post. Mailing
>lists that don't let you Bcc the list (i.e., has to be in To/Cc). Mailing
>lists that don't allow crossposting to other mailing lists. Mailing
>lists that don't allow HTML-formatted posts, etc., etc., ad infinitum.
>
>>                         [ ... ]   What about crossposting?  Maybe you
>>can filter crossposts, if they are obvious, but what of a spam mailer that
>>posts the message to every group individually instead of all at once?
>
>That's not a crosspost, so there's not much point in discussing it in
>that context. Whatever filtering would be done on that would be the
>same as whatever filtering is done now on the mailing list. I have no
>idea if there is any, but Matt Holdrege seems to be implying that
>there is (or would be).
>
>>Or what if the user simply crossposts to comp.dcom.ascend and
>>comp.dcom.cisco?  Should that be filtered?  [ ... ]
>
>If the rules for the news2mail gateway are that all crossposts should
>be filtered, sure.
>
>>                              [ ... ]       What about the lusers that
>>simply post to everywhere in comp.dcom?  Do we want to set a policy about
>>whether these should be filtered or not?  [ ... ]
>
>I don't know where "want to" enters into it... since you have to
>set a policy for the gateway (even if it's just set to whatever the
>default is for the gateway software), then you are already setting a
>policy about this. You could allow crossposts to one other comp.dcom.*
>group, and/or treat generic groups like comp.dcom.isdn differently
>than sys groups for the calculation, etc.
>
>>                                [ ... ]   Where do you draw the line? 
>
>Wherever you please, and move as needed. Remember, this is just
>determining what posts to the newsgroup would find their way to the
>mailing list. If the folks here stayed here, then all it would be
>doing is determining what additional posts you would see. If you
>don't want any cruft, then err on the side of being too careful. If
>that becomes a problem for some reason, move the line a bit.
>
>>I still don't like the newsgroup idea.  Simply make the mailing list
>>prominent on the support page, anyone that can't find that should probably
>>look harder anyway before asking for help!  :)
>
>Hm. Anyway, a pointer to the search archive, etc. would also be a good
>idea.
>
>What I'd like to see is for us to cut through the FUD and deal with
>whatever people actually "don't like about the newsgroup idea". I find
>it hard to believe, for instance, that your biggest problem with the
>idea is that, if we decided to have a news2mail gateway for the
>newsgroup, it would have to have a policy. I mean, the mailing list
>-already- has a policy. ;-)  Anyway, if we can focus on the real concerns
>maybe we can put an end to the discussion a bit quicker. I'm reading
>this gated over to a local newsgroup anyway, so I get a crude form of
>threading whether the rest of you do or not. ;-)  I just want to get
>this settled once and for all and that means airing and discussing all
>the main points. If we don't do that it'll just keep going on and on.
>
>Some folks have mentioned:
>
>Having to check more than one place
>The mailing list will wither away
>The news2mail gateway might let Usenet cruft through
>
>Any others?
>
>Matt
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