Did i miss somthing? What are you talking about? Look through my headers, Outlook Express... I'm sorry, but i think i'm utterly confused on your whole topic in this group. -- Alex Hartman - goober at goobe.net PGP Key fingerprint = 26 41 19 56 19 81 E2 BC EE C8 1D F4 DB B8 ED B8 "All in all is all we all are..." -Kurt Cobain RIP 1967-1994 ----- Original Message ----- From: <nryberg at uspsoig.gov> To: <tcwug-list at tcwug.org> Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 2:46 PM Subject: [TCWUG] Religion, e-mail clients and wireless? > This mailing list exists for the sole purpose of exchanging information > about using wireless computer communication. The de facto standard for > e-mail is plain text, without any HTML formatting or unneccesary x-messages. > Almost all users adhere to this almost without question so that what they > have to _say_ gets heard, without making a fuss about _how_ the message gets > across. > > To get upset over the fact that I use Outlook as an e-mail client is > slightly more frivolous than my personal choice of color for my car. If I > use it responsibly (read: no HTML), and treat the other users on this list > with respect, I expect the same in kind. > > If you can't tell already, I'm really tired of being told I'm using a > 'crappy' e-mail client. I can't deny that Outlook is 'a breeding ground for > viruses', but that's what well configured MTU, good firewalls, and thorough > virus scanning is for - I'm fairly confident in saying that just about 99% > of the TCWUG users are technically compentant enough to implement those > three controls on their own. > > Let me ask you this - are you afraid of contracting a virus through this > list? I sincerely doubt it. Most clients are *NIX based, and are fairly > tightly controlled. The ones that are most susceptible (other Outlook > users) are the ones that will suffer, NOT the people who shout, protest, > whine and complain that I'm using a 'crappy' client. > > To abuse a technical feature used by Outlook, just to continue a personal > vendetta against Outlook users pretty much places you in the same camp as a > rank newbie sending out a plea for help in HTML format. Either way, I'm > getting garbage that I don't want or expect. At least the newbie is > innocent, using x-message-flags is a unique blend of vandalism and childish > fit throwing. > > I've said it privately before, I'll take my opinion on the road with this > one: If you expect the TCWUG community to reach some sort of critical mass > in terms of enough users to create a usable, shared, open network, you have > to be open to users who don't use the same operating system, who don't use > the same e-mail client, or who don't know one end of a PCMCIA card from > another, but are willing to learn enough about wireless to be dangerous. > > In short, you've got to be 'nice', or you won't get to have any fun with > anyone else. You don't have the luxury of ticking off others just because > it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy. Sure you get the nifty thrill of > being a 'hacker' (in the negative sense), but in the end, you're stuck with > your own AP, and very few others to talk to. > > As a last point, one of the offending x-message lines suggested that the > user go to cws.internet.com/mail.html, which I thought rather ironically > lists MS Outlook express as the second best client, and Outlook 2000 in the > respectable number nine spot. Guess they're not that crappy after all. > > - Nick > _______________________________________________ > Twin Cities Wireless Users Group Mailing List - Minneapolis/St. Paul, Minnesota > http://www.tcwug.org > tcwug-list at tcwug.org > https://mailman.real-time.com/mailman/listinfo/tcwug-list >