On Thu, Jul 18, 2002 at 04:23:33PM -0500, Nate Carlson wrote: > On Thu, 18 Jul 2002, Nick Ryberg wrote: > > In a crazy way, this might be a sort of odd little entrepenuer > > opportunity - get together with 2 other people in your neighborhood - > > split the $2100 cost for a startup AP + 3 subscriber units, and split > > the cost of DSL to the AP. Hmmm... it's still darned expensive for a > > normal user to get it up and running. But once, you got over the > > hump, and had five or six other people sharing the costs, it'd > > probably be a money maker. > > Remember -- reselling DSL is a risky business. > > For one, most cheap DSL accounts (ie, Real Time's TCLUG program) are > for non-commercial use only, and any resale is prohibited. In our > case, if there's not a ton of traffic through the line, we don't > actively go see if the line's being used for commercial use. If it's > sucking a ton of bandwidth, though, and we see it's commercial, > it'll cause problems. VISI.com doesn't allow resale over a DSL link, but commercial activities are allowed. > Also, Qwest DSL circuits are just about their lowest repair > priority, or so I've been told (even below home voice circuits). Yep, most of the time things are decent. But I have seen repair intervals of weeks... > Only way I'd be comfortable reselling DSL is if it came from someone > like Covad (SDSL), but since Covad's on shaky grounds.. *shrugs*. Huh? Reselling Qwest is great and dandy. It works! Or are you talking about 'reselling services over Qwest DSL'? > Best bet would probably be to make a deal with a large provider to > get T1's at a discount rate. Chances are we couldn't get them much > cheaper than $900/mo for a full T1 (including local loop), > though.. takes a whole lot of subscribers to cover that cost. And, > again, we'd HAVE to limit customer's bandwidth.. let's say $45/mo > per user, that's 20 users to cover the cost, so the users can't > expect to each be getting T1-ish speeds. Of course, if you've got > users used to RoadRunner, a T1 is going to seem slow, too. I don't know. If you are close to downdtown Minneapolis or St. Paul, your loop charge wont' be high and we'll sell you a PtP T1 for $700/month plus local loop, with loop charge of ~$100 in downtown, and under ~$200 for within 5 miles. A T1 will feel better than cable. Have you ever sat on one directly? :) Higher speeds means for cheaper per Mbps charges. Chicken and egg... -- Mike Horwath IRC: Drechsau drechsau at Geeks.ORG Home: 763-540-6815 1901 Sumter Ave N, Golden Valley, MN 55427 Opinions stated in this message, or any message posted by myself through my Geeks.ORG address, are mine and mine alone, period.