I think Max's response here sums up this whole 6.1.x issue pretty well: http://www.gloryroad.net/~darkshot/Max/Birthday/maxhat.jpg (Sorry Kevin, I couldn't resist!) 'Shot ++ Ascend Users Mailing List ++ To unsubscribe: send unsubscribe to ascend-users-request@bungi.com To get FAQ'd: <http://www.nealis.net/ascend/faq>