The only way right now that I can see limiting bandwidth on wireless is have 
multiple access points into a switch that does the limiting for you.  Not 
exactly cost effective LOL.

Jon





> On Fri, Jul 19, 2002 at 08:37:05AM -0500, Nick Ryberg wrote:
> > Unfortunately, any solution we come up with will have the some
> > limitations that cable companies face: limited bandwidth.
> 
> I disagree.
> 
> Bandwidth can be had because it is wireless.
> 
> The technology of wireless today is the limiting factor for the
> moment.  Eventually it could change.
> 
> > No matter how generous you feel towards your subscribers (free or
> > otherwise), you're only going to have x number of megabits to share,
> > and bandwidth throttling and server limitations is the easiest way
> > to do that.  They're probably not the _best_ way, but it's an
> > option.
> 
> 11Mbps of half duplex total is pretty limiting..
> 
> > Basically, by becoming a provider, we're put in the same hot seat
> > that the cable execs are frying in right now.  If we want to have a
> > completely open network, that's really great, but how do we deal
> > with exceptional problems like one of our member's websites getting
> > slashdotted?  That'd blow away availability for everyone else who
> > simply wants to get out to the net.
> 
> Wireless providers have nothing to do with cable providers.
> 
> Theya re vastly different things with vastly different issues involved.
> 
> Until wireless can have the same penetration and needs it will always
> be about the lack of technology to make it work well.
> 
> > I'm playing the devil's advocate on this one, not because I like
> > trolling this list and just disagreeing with your points - honestly,
> > I think it's an issue we've got to worry about.
> 
> I am a troll :)
> 
> I just like a good argument about real points and real issues.
> 
> > If I had $5,000+ laying around, I'd be placing an order for my
> > instant-just-add-water-ISP right now, and damn the bandwidth issues!
> > - Full speed ahead!!
> 
> I wish that could be done.
> 
> My issues are easy:
> 
> 	Technology won't scale very well right now.
> 
> 	Without the ability to limit and meter will be a massive
> 	headache for all.
> 
> 	Stupid authentication systems that do not scale or written
> 	horribly by someone who just read 'learn C in 21 days' right
> 	after installing Linux for the first time 3 days prior.
> 
> 	Lack of logging and accounting needed to charge people for
> 	what they use.
> 
> I'll try to be ready for the next meeting with a small agenda or list
> of things I feel that need to be addressed before some business is 
> put together to offer such services to the masses.
> 
> Anyone who has run an ISP will understand the issues I have laid out
> above, or any business owner who is providing pure 'service' as a
> product.
> 
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